Brockers=overrated?

[rayzor]

I have literally responded to this argument a dozen times now. You can go back and read it if you like.

:lol: where?

[DaCityKats]

if keuchly had peaked (which he started his college career as an elite talent and built on it dramatically every year so you'd have to assume he hasn't) then a guy like brockers or poe could project to be more of a talent and difference maker down the road.

i see kuechly as being a player who is elite...not just a guy with elite potential, but elite as is...who is just getting started.

imo, he projects out to be more of a top talent and difference maker than either brockers or poe with more likelihood of reaching that potential.

crap...i'm getting more and more sold on the idea of this guy with every post.

i dont.he would be decent, but i just dont see him as an elite prospect. got to build up front and if its a prospect on the DL that is better(now or future) you have to take him.

thats not just DT either.

[rayzor]

Join the bandwagon. LOL. There is a reason he is called the safest defensive pick in this draft. The more you look into it, the more it is obvious he is a special talent.

it isn't about being a safe pick either. that's just a bonus.

if we were concerned about getting the best defensive player in the draft this guy would be among the top couple choices.

pick up garay in FA and then a CB in the second round and this defense would be dramatically improved. the number of big plays made on it would be massively reduced. i just can't see any drawbacks at all.

imo, he has as much or more potential as anyone in this draft. he's a sure thing and he's a swing for the fences all wrapped up in one talented package.

[DaCityKats]

And like I said, he also has a great physical skill set (which is what people are banking on with a Poe). He represents the best of both worlds...unlike a Poe

in your eyes maybe but not mine.i think you get a decent starter with him nothing more. got to build the DL(DT or DE) first and i really dont see a major talent gap between him or a 2nd round LB.

[CRA]

i dont.he would be decent, but i just dont see him as an elite prospect. got to build up front and if its a prospect on the DL that is better(now or future) you have to take him.

For Rivera a front 7 is huge...not just having a DL. Luke fits into the realm of being strong up front. A Poe could just be another comparable young body up front...we aren't stacked with young unproven/developing guys at LB. LB is a need.

[rayzor]

you've got two separate issues here...

i dont.he would be decent, but i just dont see him as an elite prospect.

got to build up front and if its a prospect on the DL that is better(now or future) you have to take him.

thats not just DT either.

i can't help you if you don't see him as an elite prospect. the signs are all there. everything is pointing to that.

as far as us needing to build up the DLine, i'm absolutely in agreement with that. i just don't see any DT in this draft that offers more potential than kuechly and i definitely don't see any DT that would be able to play on his level coming into the league.

we do have to build up front, but we shouldn't reach for the player, esp. if there is a more talented player ahead of him that fits a big need.

[chubs2496]

it isn't about being a safe pick either. that's just a bonus.

if we were concerned about getting the best defensive player in the draft this guy would be among the top couple choices.

pick up garay in FA and then a CB in the second round and this defense would be dramatically improved. the number of big plays made on it would be massively reduced. i just can't see any drawbacks at all.

imo, he has as much or more potential as anyone in this draft. he's a sure thing and he's a swing for the fences all wrapped up in one talented package.

If u were the gm come April would u take Luke at 9

[mmmbeans]

why is it that absolutely nobody is talking about fletcher cox?

[CRA]

in your eyes maybe but not mine.i think you get a decent starter with him nothing more. got to build the DL(DT or DE) first and i really dont see a major talent gap between him or a 2nd round LB.

You have to opt to be blind to either ignore what he is NOW and the physical skill

set he displayed.

Might not get much of anything from a Poe. Bigger gamble. I also think you are downplaying LB in our new scheme since we didn't get to actually run it last year

[DaCityKats]

For Rivera a front 7 is huge...not just having a DL. Luke fits into the realm of being strong up front. A Poe could just be another comparable young body up front...we aren't stacked with young unproven/developing guys at LB. LB is a need.

LB is a need but im not seeing anybody now that warrants a top 10 pick from that spot. again not a major drop off from Kuechly to Brown, Kendricks, Wagner etc......

[CRA]

why is it that absolutely nobody is talking about fletcher cox?

Id talk about him if we traded down...not at #9.

[rayzor]

in your eyes maybe but not mine.i think you get a decent starter with him nothing more. got to build the DL(DT or DE) first and i really dont see a major talent gap between him or a 2nd round LB.

really? :lol: the dude is the most talented LB coming out of college since beason or willis and is considered by quite a few to be on the same level as willis.

there is not an LB prospect who can come close to this guy in this draft.

now if you want to see a position that there isn't a lot of separation between round one and two...look at DE and DT. the DE class just isn't that great this year. i know coples has elite potential, but he's shown more than enough reason to doubt how often you would see that. beyond him, though, this isn't really a great DE class. teams wanting one would be better off waiting till next year.

the DT class, while it doesn't have any suh type (or even dareus type) talents, its solid class with a good 6-10 legit starter possibilities some of which will likely be found in the second round. the same thing can be said for interior Oline and WRs. this draft class is just deep and talented in all these positions.

[CRA]

LB is a need but im not seeing anybody now that warrants a top 10 pick from that spot. again not a major drop off from Kuechly to Brown, Kendricks, Wagner etc......

Not a major drop of with the DTs either. So you go BPA on that side of the ball...

[rayzor]

why is it that absolutely nobody is talking about fletcher cox?

Id talk about him if we traded down...not at #9.

i wouldn't hate him at the 9 spot at all. probably the most talented and more sure things among the DTs this year.

the talent is there. maybe not my first choice, but it's a good one.