Brockers=overrated?

[jtnc]

okay, with that same logic.

We are not wasting a top 10 pick on a DT from Memphis.

b/c your logic isn't actually talking about abilities it is applying what someone actually did on a football field.

I think LB has potential to be the weakest of all positions on D given the importance placed on the unit...if things don't go well for us in regards to those coming back (and that is realistic).

Umm what are you talking about? I said in the OP "Our best option is to trade down".

[CRA]

Umm what are you talking about? I said in the OP "Our best option is to trade down".

I am fine w/ trading down. I just think odds are low of us getting someone to trade with us there.

What I am talking about is what you said in your last post.

[jtnc]

Funny how people just assume things. :lol:

[CRA]

like when posters assume Luke has no pass rushing ability ;)

[NJPanthers89]

Love Brockers upside, and frankly watching a little game tape on him has me intrigued. He was constantly double teamed. He's a freak and doesn't stop until the whistle is blown. Saw him continue hustling down the field on multiple plays when they got passed him. He got great penetration even on double teams, and also has a very nice spin move that looked fluid which i don't see many DT's try.

I think we should take the chance that Rivera can coach this kid up and make a monster out of him. Poe may have had a great combine but we need a disruptive DT IMHO rather than a guy that eats up blockers cause hes big. At 6'6 305 i think Brockers is already big and will get a lot stronger after year 1 or 2 in the NFL. Sometimes you gotta take chances to be great, and this is a chance im willing to take, very much like Cam.

If we go DT this is my choice, but im not Hurney.

The Free Agent signings by this team should go a long way in telling us which direction the FO is looking towards in the draft.

[rayzor]

like when posters assume Luke has no pass rushing ability ;)

yeah, this is one thing i don't get.

his lack of production as a pass rusher is no indication that he can't do it. he wasn't asked to, but it wasn't because he couldn't. with some players i can see that as a legit concern, but there's nothing in this guys history that would show that rushing the passer is something that he would have a problem with. he's got the speed and athleticism to do it for sure. he's definitely smart enough to diagnose quickly what is happening and an incredible ability to react quickly.

will he have to learn it? maybe (though i doubt it's the case), but there's no way i would question his ability to learn it quickly and be just as good as anyone in doing the job in a very short time.

[panthers55]

Kuechly...as a freshman, a true freshman, starting in 12 games, he played olb and (stealing this info from cbs sports)

named acc defensive rookie of the year and all-acc first team …

named to the fwaa and sporting news freshman all-america teams …

si.com named him a second team all-american …

earned acc player of the week accolades three times …

ranked second in the country in total tackles (158) and solo stops (87) …

had the most tackles by a bc defender since 1993 …

his 12.15 tackles per game was the highest average by any rookie since the ncaa began tracking tackles in 2003 …

recorded 10 or more tackles in the final nine games …

led the eagles in tackles in 12 of 13 games …

led bc in total tackles, solo tackles, assisted stops (71), tackles for a loss (13.0) and pass break ups (4) …

he also had a sack in there as well. Now if all you can focus on is just one sack...yeah, i can see how you'd be disappointed. But if you were looking for someone who could play olb at at a high level in the pros and could ensure that he was going to get to the ball and stop any progress... If you were looking for someone who was a natural for the position who didn't just flash elite potential but played at an elite level every game...who no one would question his taking plays off or his ability to diagnose plays and react quickly to what the offense was doing...you'd take this guy even after his freshman year. People get drafted early based on one year's worth of elite performance all the time. Crap, we did it last year.

He had one year of elite olb production and two years of elite mlb production. He's proven that he is someone that can flat get the job done. He's shown to be probably the most reliable defensive player in this draft.

Now if we can get an elite dt prospect at the 9 spot, i'd be happy. But if we were going bpa by need (which olb is) then we'd be crazy not to at the very least seriously consider this guy. I'm almost at the point where i think we'd be crazy not to take this guy at the 9 spot regardless of who esle is there not named claiborne or kalil.

I think he's the most talented defensive player in the draft aside from claiborne and very well could be the smartest defensive player in the draft.

I'm not campaigning for his pick, but unless your mind is singularly focused on one player or just one position (which i most certainly hope and believe that the fop and coaching staff is above doing) i can't imagine why anyone would not at least like that pick.

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[Cat'sGrowl]

lol you still think it's about his numbers

[rayzor]

lol you still think it's about his numbers

ugh...it's not about his numbers. it's about the obvious and undeniable talent that made those numbers possible.

it's as much about the numbers as it was for cam last year.

[DaCityKats]

No, when people say Poe wasn't highly productive in college they aren't saying that b/c he didn't register a lot of sacks.

Poe and Kueckly were both asked to play a certain role for their team...Kueckly played his role at a much higher level. He simply at this stage is a better football player. That could change in the future but Kueckly in addition to being better now also has a great physical skill set (which is what people are banking on w/ Poe)

better football player now, but what about the future? making a pick is not all about now, its a projection of were a player will be.

[Cat'sGrowl]

ugh...it's not about his numbers. it's about the obvious and undeniable talent that made those numbers possible.

it's as much about the numbers as it was for cam last year.

I have literally responded to this argument a dozen times now. You can go back and read it if you like.

[rayzor]

better football player now, but what about the future? making a pick is not all about now, its a projection of were a player will be.

if keuchly had peaked (which he started his college career as an elite talent and built on it dramatically every year so you'd have to assume he hasn't) then a guy like brockers or poe could project to be more of a talent and difference maker down the road.

i see kuechly as being a player who is elite...not just a guy with elite potential, but elite as is...who is just getting started.

imo, he projects out to be more of a top talent and difference maker than either brockers or poe with more likelihood of reaching that potential.

crap...i'm getting more and more sold on the idea of this guy with every post.

[CRA]

better football player now, but what about the future? making a pick is not all about now, its a projection of were a player will be.

And like I said, he also has a great physical skill set (which is what people are banking on with a Poe). He represents the best of both worlds...unlike a Poe

[panthers55]

if keuchly had peaked (which he started his college career as an elite talent and built on it dramatically every year so you'd have to assume he hasn't) then a guy like brockers or poe could project to be more of a talent and difference maker down the road.

i see kuechly as being a player who is elite...not just a guy with elite potential, but elite as is...who is just getting started.

imo, he projects out to be more of a top talent and difference maker than either brockers or poe with more likelihood of reaching that potential.

crap...i'm getting more and more sold on the idea of this guy with every post.

Join the bandwagon. LOL. There is a reason he is called the safest defensive pick in this draft. The more you look into it, the more it is obvious he is a special talent.