Opposing Line Coach Says Poe 'Took Plays Off'

[panthers55]

what you think of Poe is heavily tied on where he is drafted...some want to take that component out of it and think a blanket opinion has to be formed.

Picking him at #9 or #24 would draw different thoughts on him as a Panther draft pick

That whole argument that he wouldn't be worth a nine pick but would be a great value at 20 is really a crock. Pat Kirwin on Sirius NFL who used to be the GM for the Jets discussed that. He said that if you have the 9 pick and really like a guy you pick him when you get your chance. The whole trading down works only if you are willing to let him go if someone else moves up to get him and are content with someone else. I remember the discussion with Josh Freeman a few years ago when Tampa took him too high in the first round by some mock drafts. The GM said he was our guy so picking him at 17 wasn't an issue. He said if he had the 7th pick he would have still taken him although he was projected as a potential 2nd rounder.

People are comparing his potential to Ngata or Jenkins. Looking back would we have drafted either of them at 9 or have waited until 24 or lower to get value. Yeah Jenkins was a second rounder but only because he had an injury history and missed a year in college with a shoulder injury.

If you are going DT you get your most highly rated guy regardless of whether he is a good value or not.

On the other hand if you have 5 or 6 guys rated similarly or covet someone else, you don't pull the trigger at 9 or 24.

[CRA]

That whole argument that he wouldn't be worth a nine pick but would be a great value at 20 is really a crock. Pat Kirwin on Sirius NFL who used to be the GM for the Jets discussed that. He said that if you have the 9 pick and really like a guy you pick him when you get your chance. The whole trading down works only if you are willing to let him go if someone else moves up to get him and are content with someone else. I remember the discussion with Josh Freeman a few years ago when Tampa took him too high in the first round by some mock drafts. The GM said he was our guy so picking him at 17 wasn't an issue. He said if he had the 7th pick he would have still taken him although he was projected as a potential 2nd rounder.

People are comparing his potential to Ngata or Jenkins. Looking back would we have drafted either of them at 9 or have waited until 24 or lower to get value. Yeah Jenkins was a second rounder but only because he had an injury history and missed a year in college with a shoulder injury.

If you are going DT you get your most highly rated guy regardless of whether he is a good value or not.

On the other hand if you have 5 or 6 guys rated similarly or covet someone else, you don't pull the trigger at 9 or 24.

Top 10 you heavily factor in BPA...just bc you need a DT doesn't mean you can justify pick

[CRA]

That whole argument that he wouldn't be worth a nine pick but would be a great value at 20 is really a crock. Pat Kirwin on Sirius NFL who used to be the GM for the Jets discussed that. He said that if you have the 9 pick and really like a guy you pick him when you get your chance. The whole trading down works only if you are willing to let him go if someone else moves up to get him and are content with someone else. I remember the discussion with Josh Freeman a few years ago when Tampa took him too high in the first round by some mock drafts. The GM said he was our guy so picking him at 17 wasn't an issue. He said if he had the 7th pick he would have still taken him although he was projected as a potential 2nd rounder.

People are comparing his potential to Ngata or Jenkins. Looking back would we have drafted either of them at 9 or have waited until 24 or lower to get value. Yeah Jenkins was a second rounder but only because he had an injury history and missed a year in college with a shoulder injury.

If you are going DT you get your most highly rated guy regardless of whether he is a good value or not.

On the other hand if you have 5 or 6 guys rated similarly or covet someone else, you don't pull the trigger at 9 or 24.

It is like the Armanti pick... he went too high. Just bc you like a guy doesn't mean you can justify picking him anywhere. That is amplified at the top of the draft...you can't just ignore all the players who are better there.

Only people comparing him to Ngata are choosing to ignore how they actually PLAYED in college.

If someone drafted the Oregon DT at 10 last year that would have been dumb. Can't ignore BPA for need and opt on some guy who didn't prove much on a football field when looking at the top 10.

People are too busy comparing this kid to players he doesn't compare to

[panthers55]

Top 10 you heavily factor in BPA...just bc you need a DT doesn't mean you can justify pick

In the top 10 outside of QB, you are picking the best or second player at that position that year. So the BPA is just what they are at a position of need. If Poe is your best DT in your mind you pick him at 9 with no hesistation. If on the other hand you think he is simlar in talent to someone you can get later on or you have questions, you go in a different direction.

It is like the Armanti pick... he went too high. Just bc you like a guy doesn't mean you can justify picking him anywhere. That is amplified at the top of the draft...you can't just ignore all the players who are better there.

Only people comparing him to Ngata are choosing to ignore how they actually PLAYED in college.

If someone drafted the Oregon DT at 10 last year that would have been dumb. Can't ignore BPA for need and opt on some guy who didn't prove much on a football field when looking at the top 10.

People are too busy comparing this kid to players he doesn't compare to

This is not like Edwards at all. Edwards was a quarterback who didn't have the measurable to play that position in the NFL and we tried to make into something else. Poe is a DT who is an underclassmen with extreme atleticism and strength who didn't play as well as he should have. Even trying to draw a comparison is ridiculous.

As for who is comparing him to Ngata??? Mayock said it at the combine. Brian Billick tweeted it. I would say Mayock did see him play and still likes him. Maybe he knows something you don't???

[csx]

I'm curious why you've gone so gung ho about this guy? We all know you've never seen him play. You've gone nuts about him based only on his combine. Do you really think he will be good or do you just like to argue you point until you are blue in the face.

I'm not trying to be an ass, it's just weird how much you have latched on to this guy.

[Mr. Scot]

Who cares if college players take plays off

I do.

More to the point, so do a lot of pro coaches.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't draft him, but drafting in the top ten? I'd sure as heck take it into consideration when evaluating whether he's more worth that pick than other contenders.

[csx]

I do.

More to the point, so do a lot of pro coaches.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't draft him, but drafting in the top ten? I'd sure as heck take it into consideration when evaluating whether he's more worth that pick than other contenders.

I'm hoping he was being sarcastic. He probably wasn't but I'm hoping.

[panthers55]

I'm curious why you've gone so gung ho about this guy? We all know you've never seen him play. You've gone nuts about him based only on his combine. Do you really think he will be good or do you just like to argue you point until you are blue in the face.

I'm not trying to be an ass, it's just weird how much you have latched on to this guy.

Actually you don't know squat like usual. I am an ECU fan and go to all their games. I have seen Poe play in person and on TV several times. Like usual you are talking out of your butt with no knowledge whatsoever.

As for why I like Poe, you don't find guys with his measurables at his size often. Ever. When you do you draft them and develop them. The only issue is whether his underperformance in games is a function of desire, coaching, ability or something else. I think he will be the next Ngata or Jenkins so I want him. But I can see the point about underproduction and have a history of not predicting who we will draft with the exception of last year with Newton.

I trust that the scouts and coaching staff will do their homework but I have the luxury of touting him as my choice for the next several weeks until we go in a different direction.

[MHS831]

When you have a helmet on your head, your game face on, you better have a motor that goes 100% on every play. I don't care if it is in college, Pee Wees, or in Madden. Who cares if he took plays off? Really?

[DoWorkBson]

If we are picking a dt he'd be the only guy id be happy with. Bc he can be beast. Im tired of being conservative. We went for the homerun in Newton last year and Poe would be the home run for DT this year. Sometimes when you swing big you strike out, but im over the Panthers not taking chances.

[DoWorkBson]

When you have a helmet on your head, your game face on, you better have a motor that goes 100% on every play. I don't care if it is in college, Pee Wees, or in Madden. Who cares if he took plays off? Really?

You have no back up, your offense blows and your on the field all day. You weigh 350 and you ball out all damn day? Impossible.

[panthers55]

The whole taking plays off issue often gets rectified pretty quickly when guys who were the biggest and strongest guys get schooled day 1 in the NFL. Then they sit the bench and have to work for playing time. Up to then they were the starters and everyone treated them special but now they realize that unless they work their butts off, that Escalade they bought their mother has to be paid for. The best thing that happened was a rookie wage scale where the big money is on their second contract not their first. Is it still a concern? Yes, of course. Should it stop us from drafting him? I say no but I can see where others would say yes.

[CRA]

In the top 10 outside of QB, you are picking the best or second player at that position that year. So the BPA is just what they are at a position of need. If Poe is your best DT in your mind you pick him at 9 with no hesistation. If on the other hand you think he is simlar in talent to someone you can get later on or you have questions, you go in a different direction.

This is not like Edwards at all. Edwards was a quarterback who didn't have the measurable to play that position in the NFL and we tried to make into something else. Poe is a DT who is an underclassmen with extreme atleticism and strength who didn't play as well as he should have. Even trying to draw a comparison is ridiculous.

As for who is comparing him to Ngata??? Mayock said it at the combine. Brian Billick tweeted it. I would say Mayock did see him play and still likes him. Maybe he knows something you don't???

Edwards was only brought up bc you stated if you like a player...then you can justify taking him anywhere. I disagreed with that and Edwards was my example...Carolina shouldn't of taken him that high. If they liked him they should of seen if he was available at a more realistic spot in the draft.

So which is it?

[panthers55]

Edwards was only brought up bc you stated if you like a player...then you can justify taking him anywhere. I disagreed with that and Edwards was my example...Carolina shouldn't of taken him that high. If they liked him they should of seen if he was available at a more realistic spot in the draft.

So which is it?

If you like a player it has to be playing the position he actually played in college. I don't know how you can accurately predict how a player will translate to a position he never played in college or high school. So once again Edwards is a bad example. If they were going to take a huge gamble like that it shouldn't have been a trade where we gave up a second the next year to get a third that year. Those are the type of gambles you make in the 5th round or lower at the pick you have.

Plus we were talking about a difference maker in the first round like a quarterback and not quibbling about 10 spots. Edwards was projected as third rounder as a quarterback not as a returner or receiver. If people were evaluating where to draft him as a receiver he would have gone undrafted.

You can make a case that converting someone from a corner to a safety is doable but this was a huge stretch and the example is surely not germaine to this conversation.