If we want a NT- look no further than Dontari Poe

[klumme]

It is a combination of the 19 reps, his speed, and the fact that he was not a great penetrater in college. Put all that together, and to me it says he will probably be a nice run-stuffer, but that is about it.

Put the tape on and you see Brockers is very strong. He has very long arms so the 19 reps while not great is ok. Who cares about his 40.

To me Brockers value is the same as before the combine. At first he is a run stopper but with time can be a great pass rusher too.

[csx]

Fua was strong at the combine

[CRA]

Not true at all. What it means that the combine helped clarify some things that they were not clear about. Look at Chris Johnson a few years ago. He was listed as a second or third rounder but blew it up in the combine and was taken number 17 by Tennessee. That seemed to work out pretty well until Tennessee decided not to pay him. Also note that people had him as their 4th or 5th best DT, not 25th. Moving up from 5th to 2nd for example is not that huge.

The combine helps players from smaller schools shine and compete on the same stage. Do you think anyone knew how strong Poe was or how weak some other guys were? Remember that these underclassmen don't get the press or publicity of upperclassmen. The combine opened some eyes.

Now expect guys to go back and watch Poe's games with renewed interest. What he may lack is not ability but lack of supporting talent and coaching. As a junior he was just coming into his own.

Sure it is true, the combine (outside of interviews

and physical exams) isn't going to cause anyone but TV guys to completely flip there positional rankings upside down...Sure some movement absolutely but a complete flip of everything is totally entertainment and hype oriented.

People will go back and see the same from Poe they did before the draft if they already had been looking at DTs as far as what he could do on a football field. Now sure, it may cause a team that didn't look at him bc DT wasn't that high on their list of needs to look at him...but he wasn't a top 10 draft prospect before the combine and won't be after this media driven hype calms down.

Combine was his jumping out of the pool moment. A showcase of physical ability that hasnt translated to his football play. Never seen a top tier DT not produce bc of a weak cast around him. If anything that often makes them stand out more.

Finally as far as reps on the bench go...a short armed DT is going to put up more reps vs those with very good reach/arms. Short armed guys are beasts on the bench...that gap in the gym doesn't show on the field

[csx]

It makes fans flip their poo, that's for sure.

[Matthias]

Poe is famously known for his workouts. In fact, it's because of how much he lifts, did we take notice of him months ago. So I'm not surprise he had a good workout. He should be taken in the late first round. Yet it is prisoner of the moment to say he should go in the top ten.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

DT has a huge bust factor and now there are Huddlers touting a 40 time for Poe as justification as a 9 pick?

We have a guy who dominated at South Fla in Mcclain. He wasnt awful...played like a rookie.

Maake's 40 time...Bj Raji Wilfork..Cullen Jenkins.....any 40 times make them stars?

Poe's agility and size-speed set look great...but as a top 10 player....gotta see it against competetion...Brockers did it against NFL men...

[MemphisGambler]

Poe is famously known for his work outs. In fact, it's because of how much he lifts, did we take notice of him months ago. So I'm not surprise he had a good workout. He should be taken in the late first round. Yet it is prisoner of the moment to say he should go in the top ten.

Just spoke to my best friend in Memphis about Poe. He has had season tickets at Memphis since the early 80's and says Poe is not worth a top 10 pick. He is objective and has watched him play every game he has played at Memphis. Good information from an objective fan. Granted, he is not an NFL scout. Just wanted to provide some objective info from a Memphis fan who has no agenda and has watched Poe play live during his career at Memphis.

[Fiz]

Sure it is true, the combine (outside of interviews

and physical exams) isn't going to cause anyone but TV guys to completely flip there positional rankings upside down...Sure some movement absolutely but a complete flip of everything is totally entertainment and hype oriented.

absolutely false.

Vontaze Burfict went from being a 2nd ish rounder (poor play this year) to being undrafted this year, and that's all because of how pooty he did today.

People will go back and see the same from Poe they did before the draft if they already had been looking at DTs as far as what he could do on a football field. Now sure, it may cause a team that didn't look at him bc DT wasn't that high on their list of needs to look at him...but he wasn't a top 10 draft prospect before the combine and won't be after this media driven hype calms down.

This is the first time NFL scouts have gotten a chance to sit down with him and seen him in position specific drills run by the best in the business. It's also the first time they get to comb over the prospects with a fine toothed comb. Every single college lies about how big their players are. Burfict, to use him as an example, was listed at like 6'20 500 pounds or some ridiculous poo.

They also run them through a gamut of agility and quickness drills that are invaluable to the evaluation process.

You seem to believe that the only thing that happens is straight line running and bench pressing, which is easy to believe since you're never terribly well informed.

Combine was his jumping out of the pool moment. A showcase of physical ability that hasnt translated to his football play.

In the sense it was the first time you'd heard of him, maybe. We've established you're not very knowledgeable when it comes to football.

Jarron Gilbert uploaded a video to youtube and was eventually drafted in the third by a terrible NFL GM who has since been fired.

Poe absolutely tore up an NFL sponsored event full of the best scouting minds the league has to offer. Comparing the two is absolutely ridiculous in anything but a sense so broad it renders any points you're trying to make meaningless.

Never seen a top tier DT not produce bc of a weak cast around him.

Didn't watch the 2007 Panthers then I take it.

Finally as far as reps on the bench go...a short armed DT is going to put up more reps vs those with very good reach/arms. Short armed guys are beasts on the bench...that gap in the gym doesn't show on the field

Not always but arm length helps.

Most people spend the least amount of time on bench technique because it seems so simple.

[DaCityKats]

everybody had their eyes on Brockers saying he would have that JPP breakout, but Poe stole the show. to see a dude that size move like that has to make scouts, and FO people all say well damn!

[csx]

Vontaze Burfict went from being a 2nd ish rounder (poor play this year) to being undrafted this year, and that's all because of how pooty he did today.

His performance this season did a ton to kill his early hype. The combine just put the nail in the coffin.

He was a YouTube phenom.

[CRA]

Fiz, we have already established your intellect is vastly superior to all of ours....so I take no offense to you questioning my football knowledge.

I will bet you Poe doesn't go in the top 10. If I lose I will end every post I make by signing off "Fiz is the greatest poster of all time". If I win, I will simply enjoy the satisfaction of being right.

[Fiz]

His performance this season did a ton to kill his early hype. The combine just put the nail in the coffin.

He was a YouTube phenom.

No, Burfict was legitimately a good player his first two years in college. Like, a linebackers coach dream.

I still remember what he did to UGA. He was....scary.

[Fiz]

The thing is guys the NFL is moving to pure athletic talent along the defensive line. The days of having a fat dude to take up two blockers, and a slightly less fat dude to try to slip a gap, and two dudes on the end who are like big linebackers to try to sack the quarterback are over.

What they want are basically 4 guys that can fug poo up as well as they can because defenses can't blitz anymore against good quarterbacks. they've neutered defense to the point that teams are essentially playing dime packages the entire game.

Poe showed today that he's an athletic freak, more than anyone else in the draft probably. if the Panthers think he's coachable and driven, which we won't know, they'll risk him not having perfect technique.

You can teach technique, unless you're the memphis coaching staff. You can't coach that size, speed, and strength.

[CRA]

The thing is guys the NFL is moving to pure athletic talent along the defensive line. The days of having a fat dude to take up two blockers, and a slightly less fat dude to try to slip a gap, and two dudes on the end who are like big linebackers to try to sack the quarterback are over.

What they want are basically 4 guys that can fug poo up as well as they can because defenses can't blitz anymore against good quarterbacks. they've neutered defense to the point that teams are essentially playing dime packages the entire game.

Poe showed today that he's an athletic freak, more than anyone else in the draft probably. if the Panthers think he's coachable and driven, which we won't know, they'll risk him not having perfect technique.

You can teach technique, unless you're the memphis coaching staff. You can't coach that size, speed, and strength.

You don't draft guys in the top 10 that haven't dominated on a football field at some point, in some aspect.

I agree with you on what teams are looking for on the DL today...but in addition to being studs athletically to go that high you also have to show that it can translate on the field. With Poe, there are just excuses for why he didn't dominate in a weak conference despite being a freak athlete.

The draft is already a gamble even with Andrew Lucks...but using a top 10 on a Poe kicks the gambling aspect up a huge notch. It ain't like he is a DT version of JPP. JPP at least showed his raw athletic ability could translate into dominance in college