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Cam's Combine Throwing May Have Been Rigged Against Him

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Either you don't know the use of the word "rigged" or you are backtracking.

I'm thinking the latter.

"Rigged" does not always imply malicious intent. It can also be used as shorthand for "environment conducive to failure."

What's the point of winning World War 2 when we still have grammar nazis?

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Meh, Cam misses high sometimes, whatever. He missed high in the regular season too and I doubt that anyone was intentionally rigging things against him. I'm glad the Panthers looked past it but I don't think we need to try to go back in time to explain every part of the draft process like that.

I have heard of this kind of thing before, and it's one of the reasons QBs are suggested not to throw at the combine.

Now, if Cam was the ONLY QB throwing where the receivers weren't synced up, that'd be very odd and perhaps something worth mentioning, but that doesn't seem to be what this article is saying.

Cam's mechanics at the combine was a simple fix, even Whitfield said so but the media choose to make more out of it then need be. It's clear you want to believe that the media's treatment of Cam wasn't intentional but they knew the deal, yet they still choose to place a lot of intense focus on Cam's mechanics when the issue was a simple one. Maybe that was why only Cam's throws were released to the public and none of the other QBs' numbers were released.

Anyway, I find it funny how Mayock and others in the media are trying to get RG III and Luck to participate in tomorrow's Combine. I'm glad RG III isn't throwing. He learnt well from Cam.

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"rigged against him" (thread title) implies sabotage. What Cam experienced is just the nature of the combine, and the 'danger' of throwing.

as to the commentators, I don't recall the throwing drills well enough to comment on that. However I think it is generally a poor excuse to say receivers rescued one QB vs letting another down when it comes to throwing drills.

We are apparently getting our wires crossed today. I didn't mean that the receivers rescued other QBs. But there were other QBs that weren't making good throws but when you look at their "completion percentage" it looked really good despite the fact that they were throwing lollipops (in other words with no RPMs), or they were throwing behind the receivers on out routes, corner routes, or fly routes that were completions and easy catches at the combine but pick sixes or interceptions in live football.

I said it at the time (although it was somewhat undermined by the fact that I was a clear nuthugger) that Cam's combine wasn't great, but it was a lot better than many people (mainly the media) made it out to be. Everyone was hung up on the fact that he was 11-21 rather than where he was putting the ball (aside from the two he put in the 15th row), his throwing mechanics (from the waist up), and how the ball was coming out of his hand.

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Cam's mechanics at the combine was a simple fix, even Whitfield said so but the media choose to make more out of it then need be. It's clear you want to believe that the media's treatment of Cam wasn't intentional but they knew the deal, yet they still choose to place a lot of intense focus on Cam's mechanics when the issue was a simple one. Maybe that was why only Cam's throws were released to the public and none of the other QBs' numbers were released.

Anyway, I find it funny how Mayock and others in the media are trying to get RG III and Luck to participate in tomorrow's Combine. I'm glad RG III isn't throwing. He learnt well from Cam.

Watching the NBA Allstar...The three point shoot-out never gets old.

First, this post had nothing to do with the media... well, save that you brought them up. This had to do with scouts and a "rigged" combine against Cam. That was not because of the media, sorry. I don't even know what you are talking about with me thinking the media's "treatment" of Cam at the combine was great when it was really terrible, considering he was roundly considered the top interviewer with the press, had great physical measurements, etc, with the biggest thing coming out at that time being the "icon and entertainer" which you can blame on the media if you want, or maybe some talk of him with the first person stuff, but even Whitfield acknowledged that Cam "puts the cart before the horse" at times. However, that had nothing to do with if the combine was rigged against Cam or not. Cam was clearly a controversial character and if you think it's because of race (alone) then you are blind and dumb. There was a lot of critique over his throws, but but the reality is he didn't look good. He didn't look terrible, either, which many pointed out... and him throwing overall helped his standing IMO, because he went out there and showed he was willing to prove himself under any condition.

As to the other parts of the thread... Cam's throws weren't the only ones released to the public, on the day of the combine people were literally comparing his numbers to other QBs, and his passes were shown alongside other QBs. I don't know where you get that his were the only ones released to the public. There were even arguments here how some of the other QB's throws should be marked as incompletions due to ball placement. How did people know that without it being released to the public?

As to "RG3 learning from Cam," you're totally right. I mean, Cam was clearly tremendously hurt by throwing the ball and it cost him dearly in draft position. Let's hope RG3 doesn't make the same mistake, else he might find himself in the same boat as Cam!!! What a tragedy that would be !!!!!

Hint: Teeray is right. Cam throwing helped his draft stock.

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I find it laughable the same folks who demanded and thought it best for Cam to participate in every throwing drill arent asking the same of this years prospects. Guys are able to hide and get a pass on things that were REQUIRED for Cam to do to prove he's not "another JaMarcus Russell" and doesnt have "horrible mechanics". I question these prospects work ethic and competitive fire. Its also noticeably less tense here this draft than last year. I havent seen anyone lobbying for rule abiding long term members to be banned/tarred and feathered because they like a particular prospect. I havent seen anyone threaten to give up on us if we bring in this guy or that guy that was quite rampant last offseason. Hmmm, I wonder whats different?

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First, this post had nothing to do with the media... well, save that you brought them up. This had to do with scouts and a "rigged" combine against Cam. That was not because of the media, sorry. I don't even know what you are talking about with me thinking the media's "treatment" of Cam at the combine was great when it was really terrible, considering he was roundly considered the top interviewer with the press, had great physical measurements, etc, with the biggest thing coming out at that time being the "icon and entertainer" which you can blame on the media if you want, or maybe some talk of him with the first person stuff, but even Whitfield acknowledged that Cam "puts the cart before the horse" at times. However, that had nothing to do with if the combine was rigged against Cam or not. Cam was clearly a controversial character and if you think it's because of race (alone) then you are blind and dumb. There was a lot of critique over his throws, but but the reality is he didn't look good. He didn't look terrible, either, which many pointed out... and him throwing overall helped his standing IMO, because he went out there and showed he was willing to prove himself under any condition.

As to the other parts of the thread... Cam's throws weren't the only ones released to the public, on the day of the combine people were literally comparing his numbers to other QBs, and his passes were shown alongside other QBs. I don't know where you get that his were the only ones released to the public. There were even arguments here how some of the other QB's throws should be marked as incompletions due to ball placement. How did people know that without it being released to the public?

As to "RG3 learning from Cam," you're totally right. I mean, Cam was clearly tremendously hurt by throwing the ball and it cost him dearly in draft position. Let's hope RG3 doesn't make the same mistake, else he might find himself in the same boat as Cam!!! What a tragedy that would be !!!!!

Hint: Teeray is right. Cam throwing helped his draft stock.

Are you seriously that clueless on how the media operates or are you just pretending?

Anyway, anyone who watched the Combine last year could have easily seen that the receivers were out of sync with the QBs. Maybe that was the reason why Mallett and Jake kept throwing to a spot in the arena and just letting the receivers get to the ball instead of trying to throw to the receivers. The other QBs must not have gotten the memo, including Cam. No sabotage or rigging, just the combine.

And, what part of Cam's stats were the only ones turned into endless news stories do you not understand. Please find me a story regarding any of the other QBs stats from the Combine.

Also, the only thing that makes Cam controversial is that he's out there proving his naysayers wrong and they hate it. Hence, the endless critical spins and debates over everything he does. Clearly, the problem isn't him...

In the case with RG III...see my first statement regarding the media. And if Luck isn't throwing, then neither should RG III. Especially when it will be RG who the media will be scrutinizing, not Luck.

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I find it laughable the same folks who demanded and thought it best for Cam to participate in every throwing drill arent asking the same of this years prospects. Guys are able to hide and get a pass on things that were REQUIRED for Cam to do to prove he's not "another JaMarcus Russell" and doesnt have "horrible mechanics". I question these prospects work ethic and competitive fire. Its also noticeably less tense here this draft than last year.I havent seen anyone lobbying for rule abiding long term members to be banned/tarred and feathered because they like a particular prospect. I havent seen anyone threaten to give up on us if we bring in this guy or that guy that was quite rampant last offseason. Hmmm, I wonder whats different?

I already said that this draft season wasn't going to be anything like last year. Especially since it's pretty much the same scenerio as last year but this time the media is getting the QB they want at number one, so there is no need to go in hard on RG III. No Jamarcus comparisons this time around.

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