Speaking of taking plays off

[CRA]

maybe we can get this thread locked.....I mean anyone who would question the Defender of the Biscuit needs to be committed.

Jake is and isn't a lot of things. But the dude has heart and has given us 100%.

[Jangler]

Come on, he's thinking about chicken....can you blame him?

[monstercat]

This place is getting dumber and dumber.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

This place is getting dumber and dumber.

I didn't realize that was even possible

[top dawg]

This place is getting dumber and dumber.

It was already dumb to begin with...filled with irrational Jake lovers and Pep haters. And that's my whole point.

I obviously didn't mention Pep in this thread, but yet am still attacked for bringing up a valid point, that even proves the greater point.

I don't whine about the business of football like some of you do, I just call a spade a spade. Some days, rayz, are better than others, so perhaps you're right. Sometimes the boredom gets the better of me. As for you Cyclonus, I think I'd rather have my head up Pep's ass (as you call it) than my tongue wrapped around Jake's junk.

[rayzor]

It was already dumb to begin with...filled with irrational Jake lovers and Pep haters. And that's my whole point.

I obviously didn't mention Pep in this thread, but yet am still attacked for bringing up a valid point, that even proves the greater point.

I don't whine about the business of football like some of you do, I just call a spade a spade. Some days, rayz, are better than others, so perhaps you're right. Sometimes the boredom gets the better of me. As for you Cyclonus, I think I'd rather have my head up Pep's ass (as you call it) than my tongue wrapped around Jake's junk.

either way is ghey. i'd rather not be attached to either one.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

While it's impossible for us to know, I'd say that if there is any player who doesn't take plays off, it's Jake. Over the years, I've questioned Jake's ability and his decision making, but never have I questioned his effort.

As a matter of fact, I can think of few quarterbacks who match Jake in that department.

[panthers55]

Hell yeah he takes plays off. Over half the time he just hands the ball to someone else and stands around. What a slacker.

In addition to handing off the ball half the time he also stands arounds, while the defense and special teams are on the field, talking on the phone. All in all he probably throws the ball less than 1/4 of the total plays in a game. I can't believe we pay him at all.

And look at his salary, it is totally his fault that he counts that much against the cap. After all he agreed to restructure his contract to reduce his cap hit in previous years. He is totally wrong for doing whatever he is asked to do.

Sarcasm off.

[frash.exe]

Jake doesn't take plays off.

he just can't read a fuging defense when the secondary gameplans against him hard.

[bleys]

It was already dumb to begin with...filled with irrational Jake lovers and Pep haters. And that's my whole point.

I obviously didn't mention Pep in this thread, but yet am still attacked for bringing up a valid point, that even proves the greater point.

I don't whine about the business of football like some of you do, I just call a spade a spade. Some days, rayz, are better than others, so perhaps you're right. Sometimes the boredom gets the better of me. As for you Cyclonus, I think I'd rather have my head up Pep's ass (as you call it) than my tongue wrapped around Jake's junk.

I don't think anyone here is going to say they love Jake for his elite skills. Which is how I take your calling that spade. What you fail to understand, or maybe you do, is that the NFL only has a select few of ELITE QB's. Not every team has been able to ****** one up.

When you have a QB who can make passes on the field, manage a game, and lead a team better than the lower half of the teams who have QBs not quite up to par, then you don't ditch that QB just because you can.

Try your luck with a Leinhart in the draft, or Vince Young, or even a Mark Sanchez (for the sake of poking the fire), and you wind up with 2 people who can't stay on the field due to older QBs showing you up and 1 guy who will be drafted and has the same chances of failure (pokes fire)...

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Let me stop....

How about I take your original post and retool it... Let's get rid of Jake. *Jake's gone* What do you suggest we do? (you have the freedom of going back the last 3 years to line up a situation to work out for us this coming season)

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What you're going to find is just what Fox and Co have concluded... Well, hindsight is 20/20, and who knows which QB is going to be the real deal.

What Qb's would you have groomed?

Would you take a chance of a 1st rounder?

Would you try in the middle rounds?

Would you go UFA?

Would you go get a QB in FA?

If so, what type of picks are you willing to give up?

How are you going to make up for those picks?

will your offense or defense suffer?

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With all of these unknowns, and I am willing to bet right now that you are coming up with a sure fire solution (even going back 3 years and starting over), that all you will come up with is... *shrug*...

Because there is no sure-fire way to come up with a QB. When you have one that is above average, you don't go throwing that away for a QB who can't make reads at all...

In recent years, the NFL has shown that with a great defense and an offense that can control the ball, you can win the big one.

(Just as if you bring up Jake turned the ball over 6 times in these playoffs, I can rebuttal he was a top 5 QB in the playoffs up until that point.)

Hindsight = 20/20

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We have had so many issues with people staying healthy that to throw away draft picks on a FA QB isn't our 1st priority. Therefore, you have Jake still here as our QB.

and when you call out fans who you say are "jake lovers", I think you might want to rethink that and consider them to understand football a little more than you. I would prefer "realists".

Not to say every Jake supporter isn't blind with Jake love.

I for one realize Jake is often off target as much as he is ON target to lead the WR. Or on the very long ball, doesn't quite have the arm strength to keep Smitty and Co. running in stride.

With that said, up until this offseason, he was a damn clutch QB in the playoffs and I was even excited to see how well he did this year in the playoffs.

Sadly enough, he sucked it up with 6 turnovers. But that doesn't make him the worst QB in football. There are a pooload of QB's worse than him (some of those you were prob'ly hoping we picked before you saw them play and realized, "damn, they are horrible."

[rayzor]

I don't think anyone here is going to say they love Jake for his elite skills. Which is how I take your calling that spade. What you fail to understand, or maybe you do, is that the NFL only has a select few of ELITE QB's. Not every team has been able to ****** one up.

When you have a QB who can make passes on the field, manage a game, and lead a team better than the lower half of the teams who have QBs not quite up to par, then you don't ditch that QB just because you can.

Try your luck with a Leinhart in the draft, or Vince Young, or even a Mark Sanchez (for the sake of poking the fire), and you wind up with 2 people who can't stay on the field due to older QBs showing you up and 1 guy who will be drafted and has the same chances of failure (pokes fire)...

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Let me stop....

How about I take your original post and retool it... Let's get rid of Jake. *Jake's gone* What do you suggest we do? (you have the freedom of going back the last 3 years to line up a situation to work out for us this coming season)

---------------

What you're going to find is just what Fox and Co have concluded... Well, hindsight is 20/20, and who knows which QB is going to be the real deal.

What Qb's would you have groomed?

Would you take a chance of a 1st rounder?

Would you try in the middle rounds?

Would you go UFA?

Would you go get a QB in FA?

If so, what type of picks are you willing to give up?

How are you going to make up for those picks?

will your offense or defense suffer?

------------------------

With all of these unknowns, and I am willing to bet right now that you are coming up with a sure fire solution (even going back 3 years and starting over), that all you will come up with is... *shrug*...

Because there is no sure-fire way to come up with a QB. When you have one that is above average, you don't go throwing that away for a QB who can't make reads at all...

In recent years, the NFL has shown that with a great defense and an offense that can control the ball, you can win the big one.

(Just as if you bring up Jake turned the ball over 6 times in these playoffs, I can rebuttal he was a top 5 QB in the playoffs up until that point.)

Hindsight = 20/20

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We have had so many issues with people staying healthy that to throw away draft picks on a FA QB isn't our 1st priority. Therefore, you have Jake still here as our QB.

and when you call out fans who you say are "jake lovers", I think you might want to rethink that and consider them to understand football a little more than you. I would prefer "realists".

Not to say every Jake supporter isn't blind with Jake love.

I for one realize Jake is often off target as much as he is ON target to lead the WR. Or on the very long ball, doesn't quite have the arm strength to keep Smitty and Co. running in stride.

With that said, up until this offseason, he was a damn clutch QB in the playoffs and I was even excited to see how well he did this year in the playoffs.

Sadly enough, he sucked it up with 6 turnovers. But that doesn't make him the worst QB in football. There are a pooload of QB's worse than him (some of those you were prob'ly hoping we picked before you saw them play and realized, "damn, they are horrible."

excellent post.

[frash.exe]

can't wait till midseason this year when Jake has had a few more multiple turnover games under his belt and people are debating which ones were the receivers' fault and which ones were due to pocket pressure because the Oline didn't give him enough time to throw and arguing all the other players who lost games while proudly exclaiming all the games Jake "won" himself.

but that's the nature of this franchise. As long as Jake's starting QB he will always have fans to constantly make excuses for him, because in their own twisted illusion they believe it's their obligation to believe in him, and anyone who says otherwise is just a haterer.

I think KT said it right a while back, something along the lines of "Jake has become bigger than the team". He is bigger than the team. There's absolutely no repercussions for poor performance. There's no knee-jerk reaction in looking at options, rather there is a reverse knee jerk reaction that just solidifies his reputation here, which isn't any better. The worse Jake does seems to make people love him even more. He turns the ball over 6 times in a playoff game and our GM decides it's a good time to extend his contract.

Us "haterers" are just the canaries in the coal mine that are trying to alert the dumbass miners that the cave is filled with carbon monoxide.

once again, WHATEVER he did in the past does not guarantee he'll do as good in the future. Brett Favre has a winning record and historically has been a clutch QB. Does that mean he should start above anybody else in the league today?

[KillerKat]

can't wait till midseason this year when Jake has had a few more multiple turnover games under his belt and people are debating which ones were the receivers' fault and which ones were due to pocket pressure because the Oline didn't give him enough time to throw and arguing all the other players who lost games while proudly exclaiming all the games Jake "won" himself.

but that's the nature of this franchise. As long as Jake's starting QB he will always have fans to constantly make excuses for him, because in their own twisted illusion they believe it's their obligation to believe in him, and anyone who says otherwise is just a haterer.

I think KT said it right a while back, something along the lines of "Jake has become bigger than the team". He is bigger than the team. There's absolutely no repercussions for poor performance. There's no knee-jerk reaction in looking at options, rather there is a reverse knee jerk reaction that just solidifies his reputation here, which isn't any better. The worse Jake does seems to make people love him even more. He turns the ball over 6 times in a playoff game and our GM decides it's a good time to extend his contract.

Us "haterers" are just the canaries in the coal mine that are trying to alert the dumbass miners that the cave is filled with carbon monoxide.

once again, WHATEVER he did in the past does not guarantee he'll do as good in the future. Brett Favre has a winning record and historically has been a clutch QB. Does that mean he should start above anybody else in the league today?

excellent post.

[Mr. Scot]

can't wait till midseason this year when Jake has had a few more multiple turnover games under his belt and people are debating which ones were the receivers' fault and which ones were due to pocket pressure because the Oline didn't give him enough time to throw and arguing all the other players who lost games while proudly exclaiming all the games Jake "won" himself.

but that's the nature of this franchise. As long as Jake's starting QB he will always have fans to constantly make excuses for him, because in their own twisted illusion they believe it's their obligation to believe in him, and anyone who says otherwise is just a haterer.

I think KT said it right a while back, something along the lines of "Jake has become bigger than the team". He is bigger than the team. There's absolutely no repercussions for poor performance. There's no knee-jerk reaction in looking at options, rather there is a reverse knee jerk reaction that just solidifies his reputation here, which isn't any better. The worse Jake does seems to make people love him even more. He turns the ball over 6 times in a playoff game and our GM decides it's a good time to extend his contract.

Us "haterers" are just the canaries in the coal mine that are trying to alert the dumbass miners that the cave is filled with carbon monoxide.

once again, WHATEVER he did in the past does not guarantee he'll do as good in the future. Brett Favre has a winning record and historically has been a clutch QB. Does that mean he should start above anybody else in the league today?

You're hoping we hire Gruden, right? He'd have just the kind of knee-jerk reactions you want to QB mistakes.

I love that you say whatever he's done good in the past is no guarantee of the future, while the entire premise of your post is that his past mistakes will resurface