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Comparing QB Robert Griffin III to Cam Newton draws laughs from NFL talent evaluators

Dpantherman

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The problem for Luck and Griffin is that they will be compared to Newton which is going to be a very hard act to follow. Imagine Luck putting up Peyton Manning numbers and people will think he underachieved. Until this year, that would have been the golden standard but no longer. And if Griffin only throws for 3000 yards and runs for 400, he will definitely be considered average at best and not worth the number 2 pick.

Both these guys will have tons of pressure on them.

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How is "Cam was the most important part of the team but the defense also helped them win many games, and they lost more than Cam this year" an extreme?

I can't name any starters on LSU's offense, or Alabama's, or any SEC school, but primarily because of this board I did learn Dyer, Ziemba, Darvin, etc :P

However, if you don't believe that Auburn had a good offense before Cam (as if you need to know the names of starters on a unit for it to be good) go look up their 2009 ranking. They were #2 in the SEC in total offense and top 5 in scoring (can't recall exactly where) if I recall and top 20 nationally for total offense and scoring offense, which is pretty impressive for the SEC. Cam didn't walk into a junk heap and make them national contenders, he was the instrumental piece in turning a good offense into an amazing one.

In short, LSU's offense largely sucked. Only first rounder on Alamba's offense is Richardson.

Auburn's offensive talent outside Cam was average AT BEST. He made the best w/ what he had and was by far and away the best offensive player on that team.

None of that is my opinion, straight fact. He wasn't the team by himself, thats stupid, but call a spade a spade, those guys were average. Just like last year.

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Michael Silver did an extensive write up today (hes been busy this week--he did the Quinn The Golden Calf of Bristol article as well)

Read the whole thing, but here are some highlights:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_robert_griffin_andrew_luck_cam_newton_draft_022312

Like I said, read the whole thing, its a good one.

How am I not surprised that these so called experts will be looking for anything to be cynical about RGIII about, yet Luck is the "perfect" specimen of a QB. sounds like draft 2011 minus the parnoid stereotyping and speculations. With all the attention on RG III's hieght, I guess, like Cam, he is going to have to show that he can make it playing the QB position.

This is one of my pet peeve with the world of the NFL. With QBs like Luck, being "athletic" is good but with QBs like Cam or RG III, it brings about such "concerns" because of the stereotypical belief that QBs like Cam and RG III would take their athleticism for granted. Funny that no such concerns ever seem to go in the directions of the Andrew Lucks of the NFL.

Also, I see it's now safe to say that the Cam and RG III comparison is more color based than reality..Shocking...Another one of my pet peeves and one of the many reasons why I much prefer the attitude of those in the NBA than the NFL.

At least in the NBA, it's doesn't matter whether you're white or black, if you're good, you're going to be compared to the giants of the sport. It doesn't matter if you're white and being compared to Michael Jordon or black and someone feels you share a lot of Lary Bird or Steve Nash's playing style. A white, Asian, or black person can play any position in the NBA. It doesn't matter. As long as he can play.

Sadly, not so in the NFL....The NFL still has a long way to go..IMO

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In short, LSU's offense largely sucked. Only first rounder on Alamba's offense is Richardson.

Auburn's offensive talent outside Cam was average AT BEST. He made the best w/ what he had and was by far and away the best offensive player on that team.

None of that is my opinion, straight fact. He wasn't the team by himself, thats stupid, but call a spade a spade, those guys were average. Just like last year.

So #2 in the SEC, #17 nationally is "average"? Maybe the players were average but the offense wasn't. I mean, you look at the roster from 2009 to 2010 and outside of Cam you've got the same top receivers and one of the two top running backs (Dyer replacing the other guy the next year). This year, the Tigers lost not just Cam, but their top two receivers for the last couple years, experienced backups and linemen. Cam obviously made a huge difference and pushed them over the top, but it's also "straight fact" that Auburn was a good offense before Cam got there, and his departure was not the only reason their offense was not so good this year, as even with a mediocre quarterback (as they had in 2009) they could be a very productive offense, but yeah. They didn't get that.

So you didn't know who Trent Richardson was? Lies.

Before this season I couldn't have, anyway. But I also forgot about him when I made that post :P

The point I was making was that knowing starters on offense doesn't mean that a team has great talent there. Lamichael James and Thomas or w/e are the only Oregon Ducks I know by name but they have had great offenses for some time... College is as much about system when it comes to prolific offense as anything. That's not to say Cam didn't totally push that team over the top, but there's so much of "CAM CARRIED TWWOOO TEAMS TO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!" around here it's somewhat silly.

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So #2 in the SEC, #17 nationally is "average"? Maybe the players were average but

Dude I specifically said 'offensive talent' read my post.

In short, LSU's offense largely sucked. Only first rounder on Alamba's offense is Richardson.

Auburn's offensive talent outside Cam was average AT BEST. He made the best w/ what he had and was by far and away the best offensive player on that team.

None of that is my opinion, straight fact. He wasn't the team by himself, thats stupid, but call a spade a spade, those guys were average. Just like last year.

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