Panthers surprise Cuts and Restructures?

[Montsta]

We should try to work out a scenario where we can Trade Connor to a team with needs at MLB, he is good enough to start somewhere.

If I'm not mistaken Connor is an unrestricted free agent and more than likely will not be retained. We have no way of trading him when he's not really ours anymore.

[Mage]

This is what makes players like Bell so valuable.

Anytime you can drag average or better performance out of someone making the minimum is so important with a capped league.

These players give the leverage and savings to pay the consistent, super talented players.

To have a great team, you need the Bells, so you can afford to keep the Smitty's.

However, finding and developing the Bells is the hard part.

Except Bell sucks.

[panthers55]

Did you watch the Panthers this past year? Stewart for the first half of the season especially looked light years ahead of Deangelo. Deangelo started turning it on late but he was never as consistantly dominating as Stewart was on each running play. I recall Deangelo getting stuffed at the line a ton, and Stewart consistantly getting 5 yards. Deangelo eventually as the season wore on would break some huge runs which brought his average up, but nobody who watched the Panthers last year could say with a straight face that Deangelo was better than JStew..

Williams is more explosive definitely. He ran better the second half of the year compared to the first half because he ran with more abandon and hit the hole with more speed. The staff talked to him about being tentative and wanted him to go for it more. He took their advice and his production soared. Stewart is better between the tackles but once they started using Wiilliams on the edge he racked up the yards. One is not better than the other, they are different runners. They compliment each other which is why we have both of them here. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

[CRA]

Anyone who thinks either Stewart or Williams would be cut seriously needs to get his brain checked. You probably also believe that "receiver" is the Panthers' biggest need.:mad:

There is no reason to keep Davis around.

No one has suggested such in this thread........some have commented on the issue Williams' contract is going to create in the future.

[CRA]

His salary will be 5,700,000 and the other 2,000,000 is signing bonus cost which we will have anyway. If we cut him the other 2,000,000 from next year escalates and we have a 4 million dead space cap hit anyway. So his cap hit to keep him versus cut him is really 3.7 million which isn't much given some of that would go to the guy you bring in to replace him or to backup the replacement if you use someone like Schwartz.

it would be bold and stupid IMO. If you want to get rid of him draft his replacement and season him and drop Wharton next year if he struggles again.

cool. I was just using a number the Observer was throwing around (they didn't break it down like you just did).

I am in favor of keeping everyone on the OL who is under contract right now (for this year at least).

[csx]

Williams is more explosive definitely. He ran better the second half of the year compared to the first half because he ran with more abandon and hit the hole with more speed. The staff talked to him about being tentative and wanted him to go for it more. He took their advice and his production soared. Stewart is better between the tackles but once they started using Wiilliams on the edge he racked up the yards. One is not better than the other, they are different runners. They compliment each other which is why we have both of them here. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

So you are really saying that the coaches went to Williams and said "run better" and he was like "ok, yeah, that makes sense....I'll do that" and it worked?

Wouldn't it be much more reasonable to say that the new offense created a situation where it took some time for the offensive line to to gel in respect to the blocking schemes?

[ed bell]

How is that inaccurate? He averaged 5 yards per carry so there was clear production. But his ypc average was achieved with different runs than the other runners.......he had more boom and bust to his game in 2011.

Saying he had more boom or bust as a runner vs. the other 2 isn't inaccurate.

...and this post is different than saying he had a "very large #" of short gains or he was "consistently" stopped at the line of scrimmage. I realize I'm arguing semantics here, so I doubt we'll see eye-to-eye....oh, and it was 5.4 yards per carry.

[Arnie]

Wouldn't it be much more reasonable to say that the new offense created a situation where it took some time for the offensive line to to gel in respect to the blocking schemes?

I agree with this statement. Last Year was a New Everything. It took some time for things to start working and become more fluent. Hence the Term: "Rebuilding Year." From Offense to Defense, things were being put together.

[CRA]

Williams is more explosive definitely. He ran better the second half of the year compared to the first half because he ran with more abandon and hit the hole with more speed. The staff talked to him about being tentative and wanted him to go for it more. He took their advice and his production soared. Stewart is better between the tackles but once they started using Wiilliams on the edge he racked up the yards. One is not better than the other, they are different runners. They compliment each other which is why we have both of them here. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

Williams still had entirely 2 many runs of 2 yards or less on the year. Half his runs were that.

and in their primes, one isn't better than the other...however Stewart is now better than Williams overall. Stewart is peaking and Williams peaked.

[CRA]

...and this post is different than saying he had a "very large #" of short gains or he was "consistently" stopped at the line of scrimmage. I realize I'm arguing semantics here, so I doubt we'll see eye-to-eye....oh, and it was 5.4 yards per carry.

He did have a large number of runs 2 yards or less. They made up half his carries.

you can achieve a 5 yard per carry different ways......and our runners did that.

[Wyank]

No one has suggested such in this thread........some have commented on the issue Williams' contract is going to create in the future.

I will kind of say it.

If the Broncos offered a 3rd rounder in this years draft for Williams, I would do it.

If the Bengals offered one of their 2nd rounders in this years draft for Williams, I would do it.

Love Double Trouble. Love D Will. But that is one hit to the offense I would take for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

[CRA]

I will kind of say it.

If the Broncos offered a 3rd rounder in this years draft for him Williams, I would do it.

If the Bengals offered one of their 2nd rounders in this years draft for Williams, I would do it.

Love Double Trouble. Love D Will. But I'd that is one hit to the offense I would take for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

He is untradeable. No one wants a 29 yr old RB w/ a contract when they can use that draft pick on a young and cheap RB.

[Wyank]

He is untradeable. No one wants a 29 yr old RB w/ a contract when they can use that draft pick on a young and cheap RB.

I know. I didn't say it was likely. I wouldn't cut him but I would be open to trading him.

[panthers55]

So you are really saying that the coaches went to Williams and said "run better" and he was like "ok, yeah, that makes sense....I'll do that" and it worked?

Wouldn't it be much more reasonable to say that the new offense created a situation where it took some time for the offensive line to to gel in respect to the blocking schemes?

I am telling you what has been said about why he did better the second half of the year. Some of it came from him or the coaches I think. The offense was still being installed throughout the year and it took Chud time to figure out how to use all his weapons. So to say that it was simply a matter of the o-line gelling is likely simplistic. It was surely a factor in the larger scheme of the offense coming together and everyone figuring out what needed to be done.

If you watch tape of him throughout the season you would note that he was tentative early but as the year progressed he would hit the hole with authority and run with more abandon. You can chalk it to whatever you want. Coming back from injury last year, not secure in the scheme, being used too much between the tackles, etc. Lots of reasons I am sure...