Brockers to visit with the Panthers

[davos]

nope...got nothing

If you were originally trying to jokingly point out you have such sophisticated sarcasm, that people think you're stupid...well then you just come across as a overly self-indulgent 18 year old. Post another picture!!!

[Cat'sGrowl]

picking a running back to spell your starter at 13th overall when you needed a tackle was pretty silly

Clady went 12th.

Stewart went 13th.

What do you think we should have done? Trade up? Would have been more expensive than trading back into the first was, and Otah was a great prospect. Would be a great player if he would stay on the field.

[Fiz]

picking a running back to spell your starter at 13th overall when you needed a tackle was pretty silly

they ended up getting the tackle, JStew is one of the three best running backs in the league, they don't win the nfc south in 2008 without him, and he was The Best Player Available at the time of the draft.

[Cat'sGrowl]

nope...got nothing

If you were originally trying to jokingly point out you have such sophisticated sarcasm, that people think you're stupid...well then you just come across as a overly self-indulgent 18 year old. Post another picture!!!

[frash.exe]

Clady went 12th.

Stewart went 13th.

What do you think we should have done? Trade up? Would have been more expensive than trading back into the first was, and Otah was a great prospect. Would be a great player if he would stay on the field.

pick the next best tackle at 13th and address the RB position later on, in a draft which was ridiculously deep with RBs

arguably the trade up was facilitated by making a luxury pick in the top 15 and started a cascade of no first round picks for two consecutive years, which happens to be Hurney's best round for filling the roster with talent. This is why BPA is a retarded concept early in the draft. I don't even think it's a philosophy Hurney's followed religiously in the first round.

[ddowney25]

Brockers = Glenn Dorsey 2.0?

[KillerKat]

Last year wasn't BPA. I predicted every position we would draft and how many at each of those positions and was right on all of them except 1. That never happens with me.

[Fiz]

Brockers = Glenn Dorsey 2.0?

Played at the wrong position out of college and finally develop into a good player 4 years later?

[Fiz]

Last year wasn't BPA. I predicted every position we would draft and how many at each of those positions and was right on all of them except 1. That never happens with me.

Last year the BPA happened to coincide with our biggest need.

It's hard to argue the Rookie of the Year wasn't the BPA, unless you're arguing the Panthers should have drafted Tyron Smith.

[Cat'sGrowl]

pick the next best tackle at 13th and address the RB position later on, in a draft which was ridiculously deep with RBs

arguably the trade up was facilitated by making a luxury pick in the top 15 and started a cascade of no first round picks for two consecutive years, which happens to be Hurney's best round for filling the roster with talent. This is why BPA is a retarded concept early in the draft. I don't even think it's a philosophy Hurney's followed religiously in the first round.

I've told you before that I agree with you that operating exclusively out of a "BPA" mindset is a stupid way to do things. As for the next best available tackles, that would be Chris Williams or Gosder Cherilus, so it would appear that Hurney had a pretty good plan. Otah was the best talent behind Clady, but his value was lower and it would seem Hurney knew it.

Him trading away our first the next year was dumb, no arguing that, but its also a different draft (obviously) so it's kind of unfair to group the two together.

All this said...I am on the Brockers bandwagon, just for clarification.

[Coheed]

you don't even warrant yourself a response...just go along on your merry way buddy

On another note,

I really hope we pick up Brockers.

[frash.exe]

I've told you before that I agree with you that operating exclusively out of a "BPA" mindset is a stupid way to do things. As for the next best available tackles, that would be Chris Williams or Gosder Cherilus, so it would appear that Hurney had a pretty good plan. Otah was the best talent behind Clady, but his value was lower and it would seem Hurney knew it.

Him trading away our first the next year was dumb, no arguing that, but its also a different draft (obviously) so it's kind of unfair to group the two together.

All this said...I am on the Brockers bandwagon, just for clarification.

so he wasn't worth the 13th overall pick, but he was worth our 2008 2nd and 4th, and our 2009 first?

[Fiz]

pick the next best tackle at 13th and address the RB position later on, in a draft which was ridiculously deep with RBs

I know for a fact that the Panthers were going to draft Clady, but he went the pick before. At that point they likely would have drafted Forte in the second. Obviously that would have been better all around, but it didn't work out that way.

Unfortunately, tackle was too big of a need to ignore, especially with a team that was convinced (correctly) they'd compete in 2008.

This is why BPA is a retarded concept early in the draft.

Not at all.

BPA assumes that the core of your team will be built cheaply through the draft, and that free agency will be a way to fill holes, and it's a solid strategy if you look at the more successful teams in the league over the last few years. You assume that almost every position can be upgraded and you take them.

If Hurney can be faulted anywhere it's in overvaluing his own players. However, looking back at some of the most egregious contracts given to drafted players (Wharton, Gamble) it's hard to argue they weren't worth it.

[Fiz]

so he wasn't worth the 13th overall pick, but he was worth our 2008 2nd and 4th, and our 2009 first?

Well they don't win the nfc south in 2008 without him. Flags fly forever.