Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[mav1234]

well frankly, the likelihood of a guy who is going to Stanford and getting a tough degree slacking off and having a poor work ethic is pretty low. This isn't some guy at a big name football school getting a degree in sports leisure or something... I can kinda get why Luck doesn't have those questions.

I think Mayock is just trying to caveat everything for some reason.

He must have had a helluva work ethic to only be coached for less than 12 months and still perform at such a high level

Not necessarily. In college it is completely possible to physically outperform people.

Of course, to the level Cam did it, it takes much more than that.

[CRA]

He must have had a helluva work ethic to only be coached for less than 12 months and still perform at such a high level

yes.

Considering Cam Newton walked onto 2 teams in 2 years and won national championships.......and it also showed that he is simply flat out a beast athlete. He wasn't just a good QB.....he was the best football player on the field.

but again, doesn't mean questions couldn't also be asked. Too much of a freak athlete for questions not to be raised........and the only people to answer questions knew him less than a year.

[MadHatter]

So the stereotypical belief is, Luck will never slack off because he's not as naturally gifted physically as Cam.

Have you seen Cam's father and brother? They are not naturally blessed athletically. So, what you see of Cam is a kid whose ass is hitting the gym and football field hard and often. For anyone to look at Cam and be jealous of his gifts, you really haven't done your homework and is basing your assumption of him on a very small mind filled with stereotypical views perpetuated by racism. This kid work his ass off and simply don't rest on his God given talents like many of you want to assump and is so "concerned" about.

Now if you want to talk about some naturally blessed genes...Have you met the Matthews family?? From the grandfather down to the grandsons. Now those are the athletes you should be concerned about taking their natural gifts for granted. Clay Matthews is no joke.

Who said anything about being jealous of Cam's gifts? Pulled that one out of your ass, huh?

I am not talking about the work ethic on the field, I am talking about the long and never ending hours in the film room. Doubt that Cam has ever HAD to do that to be successful. He was so much better athletically than others, it was not a necessity.

As for your Matthews analogy....not the same.

There are certain positions on a football team where you can get by more on physical talents...and LB is one of them.

Physical talent will only take you so far at the QB position. The rest comes from film study and off the field work (not in the weight room).

You are misunderstanding me. I have ZERO doubt that Cam will do WHATEVER work is necessary to continue to improve. I think that he is just wired that way. My point is that those that do question.....their motives are not necessarily driven by race.

[Panthro]

yes.

Considering Cam Newton walked onto 2 teams in 2 years and won national championships.......and it also showed that he is simply flat out a beast athlete. He wasn't just a good QB.....he was the best football player on the field.

but again, doesn't mean questions couldn't also be asked. Too much of a freak athlete for questions not to be raised........and the only people to answer questions knew him less than a year.

and in 2012? those questions should be moot but they arent

[panthers55]

This whole discussion has been mountains out of molehills. Mayock is not racist from all I can see and honestly if he had to do it all again I doubt he questions Newton to the same degree last year. Mayock like most analysts has a huge ego and needed to put some caveats in his analysis of Newton going forward to justify his comments coming out of the draft. That is all it is. He questioned his work ethic based on what Peter King said about being an icon and entertainer and after seing how much press Newton got the Superbowl week and throughout the probowl added some cautionary words. As for Luck over Newton, that is his opinion then and is still his opinion. He is not going to admit he was wrong about anything but he is surely not alone in that.

[stirs]

The world is at Cams disposal. He has a great smile, very marketable personality. I hope he gets as many endorsements as Peyton.

As long as a young guy keeps his head on straight and keeps in mind what gives him the endorsement opportunities, we will be fine.

As far as cockiness, I am old school and don't like it from anyone. I have never liked Shockey. I have never wanted him on any team I have pulled for. I think he has never been a team player and always wanted to go to the U to do his offseason work. He has an arrogance I have never warmed up to.

Steve Smith is about the only guy in the league that comes across to me as passionate and not cocky.

That is me.

I think the coolest thing in football is for a guy to score and jut turn to the ref and hand him the ball. It is like he has been there before and will return soon.

[King Taharqa]

This notion that if you are athletically gifted you are lazy and dont work hard and if you're a twirp you're automatically a hard worker and cerebral is crap. Those things are not mutually exclusive. And its almost always a philosophy held by those who are resentful and envious of people with great athletic gifts. This is why we need more african american analysts and scouts. I just dont trust these other guys anymore. Theres a bias there theyre just too proud or too engrained with to give up. If people dont want to be considered bigotted, maybe they shouldnt lean so heavily on eugenics and racist ideology. Stop being lazy.

[footballisasport]

Yes.

It means the best endorsment Cam could get was from a coach was one who worked with him a couple months.

Name a coach who worked with Cam for more than a couple months then? There isn't one.

Adding coaches from different schools together doesn't change the fact there was not one with him an extended period of time.

The questions were raised and they had a right to be raised..........the Panthers sought the answers.

Nothing wrong w/ the questions. Carolina found the answers. The questions still needed to be asked though.

So you're saying just because Cam didn't work with one coach for a long period of time warranteed such concerns about his work ethics. Are you serious?

Funny how folks like you do everything in your power to defense you small-minded argument against Cam. Yet you would be the first person to go all the way back to Luck's high school to make your argument as to how much he deserves his hype. Sad.

Well, here is my point of view...Every coach that Cam has ever worked with have pretty much said the same thing about his work ethics. From his high school coach to Auburn's coach. IMO, working with one coach my forced that coach to be a bit more bias but four different coaches saying pretty much the same thing means you are consistant. And I'll take that anytime.

[tiger7_88]

lol.

If you believe a guy who played for a program ONE year ONLY......got 12 months of coaching from the Auburn staff you are flat out nuts.

Auburn coaches could only tell people about there relationship with Cam Newton based off of there 9-10 month relationship or so with Newton. That was the point........the BEST opinion you could get about who he was......was from coaches who only worked with him a few MONTHS. It would have helped squash some of the negative spin of Cam had been at Auburn 2 years or so.

Again, you are too defensive about anything Cam related.

No, I'm defensive about you being accurate in your descriptions and not just pulling stuff out of your arse.

The fact that your "two months" have now grown to "9-10 months" is notable.

[stirs]

This notion that if you are athletically gifted you are lazy and dont work hard and if you're a twirp you're automatically a hard worker and cerebral is crap. Those things are not mutually exclusive. And its almost always a philosophy held by those who are resentful and envious of people with great athletic gifts. This is why we need more african american analysts and scouts. I just dont trust these other guys anymore. Theres a bias there theyre just too proud or too engrained with to give up. If people dont want to be considered bigotted, maybe they shouldnt lean so heavily on eugenics and racist ideology. Stop being lazy.

How much research and digging does it take to play the race card at the drop of a hat. Talk about being married to an ideology.

Just sit back, accuse people of racism and watch them try to defend your baseless accusation. Lot of work and effort in that.

[CRA]

So you're saying just because Cam didn't work with one coach for a long period of time warranteed such concerns about his work ethics. Are you serious?

Funny how folks like you do everything in your power to defense you small-minded argument against Cam. Yet you would be the first person to go all the way back to Luck's high school to make your argument as to how much he deserves his hype. Sad.

Well, here is my point of view...Every coach that Cam has ever worked with have pretty much said the same thing about his work ethics. From his high school coach to Auburn's coach. IMO, working with one coach my forced that coach to be a bit more bias but four different coaches saying pretty much the same thing means you are consistant. And I'll take that anytime.

ugh.....no, not that one thing alone. It is a big picture thing.

The fact Cam Newton is so MIND BOGGLING talented and can dominate single handedly..........is the biggest reason for the questions to at least be asked. B/c Cam Newton is so good that he COULD (doesn't mean he did) embarass opponents without putting in great work during the week.

What is sad, is you think b/c I think questions could be asked.....means I am now a Cam hater.

I, CRA, was on the Cam Newton bandwagon from the very beginning. Before many on this board. I heard the questions. Didn't mean I believed what they implied was true.

again, people are too senstive w/ Cam.

[CRA]

No, I'm defensive about you being accurate in your descriptions and not just pulling stuff out of your arse.

The fact that your "two months" have now grown to "9-10 months" is notable.

Oh, so the word police is now saying that since I used the word "couple" months to imply his short time with coaches.......I was wildly inaccurate.

Yes, technically couple means 2. You know reading that I was implying monthS and that he wasn't with a staff for a year or years.

My description wasn't inaccurate. Cam did not have the type time with coaches that your typical high draft pick does.....it limits the opinion a coach can give. He only had MONTHS......most have YEARS.

again, too senstive. I am one of Cam's biggest supporters. Now, you are trying to act like I am knocking him. I wanted him drafted well before you followed him over here.....

[King Taharqa]

How much research and digging does it take to play the race card at the drop of a hat. Talk about being married to an ideology.

Just sit back, accuse people of racism and watch them try to defend your baseless accusation. Lot of work and effort in that.

How hard is it to say he's black, he could be lazy, or he could go Hollywood on us. Youre lazy Stirs. That Jim Crow thinking wont help you in 2012 my friend. The over the top favoritism has been exposed.

[footballisasport]

lol.

If you believe a guy who played for a program ONE year ONLY......got 12 months of coaching from the Auburn staff you are flat out nuts.

Auburn coaches could only tell people about there relationship with Cam Newton based off of there 9-10 month relationship or so with Newton. That was the point........the BEST opinion you could get about who he was......was from coaches who only worked with him a few MONTHS. It would have helped squash some of the negative spin of Cam had been at Auburn 2 years or so.

Again, you are too defensive about anything Cam related.

It seems as if you're the one doing your best to find all kinds of rational to defend the baises and baseless 'concerns" about Cam put out by folks like Mayock.

The one thing I remembered after Cam being drafted, was during Rivera's interview, when he said that the thing he found most refreshing was being able to go to the different coaches who worked with Cam and walked away with all of them pretty much saying the same thing about Cam the person and his work ethics. He said, sometimes when a player is with one system for awhile, there is going to be a certain amount of baised for the player because you want him to make it in the NFL and you might not be 100% honest as to the player's weaknesses.

Go find the interview from last year and if if Rivera was extremely concerned with Cam not being in one school for two years. It doesn't matter. If anything, it benefits the team that gets a QB like Cam because it's like working with a clean Canvas. Not to many college ingrained bad habits.

Anyway, don't see why folks objecting to what clearly is hidden jealousy towards this young man, be perceived as being defensive. Aren't you defending the Mayocks of the media?