Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[Cary Kollins]

Wow 348 replies of the same argument over and over. Can't we all agree to disagree?

[MadHatter]

Agree with Panthro here... I don't know if Mayock is racist... honestly I doubt it, but why the work ethic questions. Cam has done nothing, zero, for anyone to have a legitimate question in regards to his work ethic. Therefore, what are the motivations behind the question? At the very least, it's stereotyping of Cam because he's black. I haven't heard one single word questioning Luck's work ethic... did he win two college national championships? Has he had a record setting NFL season? Hmmmm...

Very valid points.

I think his stereotyping has more to do with Cam's natural physical abilities and not his race. Cam has always been one of the best physical athletes on the field....and could dominate a game from that perspective. Often players like that never had to put in the long hours in the film room. Not because they were not able to handle it....but just because it was not necessary.

Luck on the other hand is NOT the physical specimin that Cam is. He probably had to work harder in middle school, high school, etc to get to where he is.

In the NFL, the QB position is highly dependant on preparation and film study. I believe that Cam absolutely will continue to put in the time here. I still doubt that Mayock's comment was racially motivated.....yet it was likely still sterotyping around athletic QB's.

[Jangler]

Wow 348 replies of the same argument over and over. Can't we all agree to disagree?

350 replies says...Yes?

[Darth Biscuit]

Very valid points.

I think his stereotyping has more to do with Cam's natural physical abilities and not his race. Cam has always been one of the best physical athletes on the field....and could dominate a game from that perspective. Often players like that never had to put in the long hours in the film room. Not because they were not able to handle it....but just because it was not necessary.

Luck on the other hand is NOT the physical specimin that Cam is. He probably had to work harder in middle school, high school, etc to get to where he is.

In the NFL, the QB position is highly dependant on preparation and film study. I believe that Cam absolutely will continue to put in the time here. I still doubt that Mayock's comment was racially motivated.....yet it was likely still sterotyping around athletic QB's.

At least you have a valid argument with this unlike some others on here who are content to say "nuh uh" and nothing more...

Luck's not a physical specimen?

6'4", 240?

Watch the replay at 0:54

[footballisasport]

ITT: black people who scream racism every time a black guy is questioned about ANYTHING.

You read racism into what Mayock said. I see it as follows:

Mayock and the experts now see the unbelievable skill-set that Cam brings to the game....he has the ability to tranform the position maybe like no other QB before him....they see the true greatness that this kid CAN be. Will he continue to put in the effort to reach that unbelievable potential?

If he does, the sky is the limit. However, athletes who truly are physically gifted often have learned to get by on those atributes. They never HAD to put in the work to be the best....their physical abilities were already superior.

Cam could be a Top tier QB without working his ass off.....he just has the potential to be GREAT if he does.

He is a young kid who is seeing tremendous success and stardom very early in his career. There are tons of examples of players who start reading and believing their own press clippings and think they have arrived.

Oh please..Everyone is now hip to the new form of disguising racism in the media, including you. Finding any little flaw on a black player and pull out the "concern" or "scornful" card. We all know all this "concern" about such athletes like Cam is nothing more than racism hiding behind a new mask.

Amazing how many more white QBs have fallen into the pitfalls you have mentioned in regards to Cam but no one is concerned that the new heir to the QB throne, a white QB, will fall into those pitfalls. Why is that?

Can't wait until the draft goes into full swing and RGIII starts threatening Luck for the number one position on the draft board. I want to see how many "concerns" will be brought out for the football fans to ponder. They are already starting to turn RG III's height into some kind of "concern."

And why do folks in this country still have such a hard time accepting that RACISM is alive and well in this society and the world. It does, so deal with it.

As long as one race continues to call the shots both for themselves and others, then it's foolish to believe that the race in power isn't going to always finds way to elevate their own over everyone else. Especially when they are up against a race they have treated worst than the dirt they walk on for hundreds of years.

[Panthro]

Very valid points.

I think his stereotyping has more to do with Cam's natural physical abilities and not his race. Cam has always been one of the best physical athletes on the field....and could dominate a game from that perspective. Often players like that never had to put in the long hours in the film room. Not because they were not able to handle it....but just because it was not necessary.

Luck on the other hand is NOT the physical specimin that Cam is. He probably had to work harder in middle school, high school, etc to get to where he is.

In the NFL, the QB position is highly dependant on preparation and film study. I believe that Cam absolutely will continue to put in the time here. I still doubt that Mayock's comment was racially motivated.....yet it was likely still sterotyping around athletic QB's.

So it's just stereotyping athletic QBs?

Aaron Rodgers had that good ole blue collar work ethic...

[The 27-year-old son of Chico, Calif., chiropractor Ed Rodgers and homemaker Darla was raised on a blue-collar work ethic and the importance of finishing what he started. His dad was an offensive lineman at Chico State who played semipro ball before going to chiropractic school at 38 to put his three sons through college.

The Golden Calf of Bristol

Some NFL scouts and teams believed that The Golden Calf of Bristol’s athleticism, work ethic and desire would translate into NFL success.

Where were the questions on Steve Young?

Where were the questions on John Elway?

Luck works harder because he's not as athletic?

I'm not picking on you and see what you are saying...I just see it differently.

[Panthro]

Agree with Panthro here... I don't know if Mayock is racist... honestly I doubt it, but why the work ethic questions. Cam has done nothing, zero, for anyone to have a legitimate question in regards to his work ethic. Therefore, what are the motivations behind the question? At the very least, it's stereotyping of Cam because he's black. I haven't heard one single word questioning Luck's work ethic... did he win two college national championships? Has he had a record setting NFL season? Hmmmm...

feel dirty dontcha?

[mav1234]

The Golden Calf of Bristol's work ethic may not have been questioned, but he had a very different... experience in college then Cam. On the other hand, The Golden Calf of Bristol was relentlessly questioned and doubted for his ability to translate to an NFL QB in virtually every way. Scouts Inc had a little blurb on him that doubted his intelligence for his 21 on the Wonderlic. Countless experts said he was only successful in college because of the style of offense that Florida ran, etc.

[CRA]

Holy poo... :eek:

In what kind of freaky alternate universe does TWELVE months = "a couple"

:banghead:

No coach in college worked with Cam Newton for 12 months. The college football year isn't a 12 month program including all the offseason work w/ staff.

I mean, that is just an example of how over sensitive people are with Cam. I said, no coach worked with him for an extended period of time and all people had were a couple months with him...........and your defense mechanism goes off to try to prove coaches had more of a history with him than my simple statement suggests.

[footballisasport]

Very valid points.

I think his stereotyping has more to do with Cam's natural physical abilities and not his race. Cam has always been one of the best physical athletes on the field....and could dominate a game from that perspective. Often players like that never had to put in the long hours in the film room. Not because they were not able to handle it....but just because it was not necessary.

Luck on the other hand is NOT the physical specimin that Cam is. He probably had to work harder in middle school, high school, etc to get to where he is.

In the NFL, the QB position is highly dependant on preparation and film study. I believe that Cam absolutely will continue to put in the time here. I still doubt that Mayock's comment was racially motivated.....yet it was likely still sterotyping around athletic QB's.

So the stereotypical belief is, Luck will never slack off because he's not as naturally gifted physically as Cam.

Have you seen Cam's father and brother? They are not naturally blessed athletically. So, what you see of Cam is a kid whose ass is hitting the gym and football field hard and often. For anyone to look at Cam and be jealous of his gifts, you really haven't done your homework and is basing your assumption of him on a very small mind filled with stereotypical views perpetuated by racism. This kid work his ass off and simply don't rest on his God given talents like many of you want to assump and is so "concerned" about.

Now if you want to talk about some naturally blessed genes...Have you met the Matthews family?? From the grandfather down to the grandsons. Now those are the athletes you should be concerned about taking their natural gifts for granted. Clay Matthews is no joke.

[tiger7_88]

No coach in college worked with Cam Newton for 12 months. The college football year isn't a 12 month program including all the offseason work w/ staff.

If you truly believe that in a 12 month period, college coaches in leagues not called "Ivy" (and maybe even in those) only directly interact and coach those players for about two of them... wow.

I won't question your intelligence. How does naive work for you?

(You ought to see Auburn's fantastic practice facility... amazingly enough, EVERY coach's office has a wall-window DIRECTLY OVERLOOKING the practice fields on which all the players in the off-season are doing their "voluntary" activities. If I was naive, I would bet that those coaches never look out those windows and act on what they are observing.)

[fieryprophet]

Hey guys, who the heck cares what these so-called analysts think about Cam? If anything, they just help fuel that fire, and he's deadset on becoming the greatest QB of his generation, so there's literally nothing to care about outside of that.

When people talk about Luck being a once-in-a-lifetime QB, I just roll my eyes and mark my time until Cam has destroyed the league for multiple championships, than we can all act snotty and say "yeah, about that. . ."

[CRA]

If you truly believe that in a 12 month period, college coaches in leagues not called "Ivy" (and maybe even in those) only directly interact and coach those players for about two of them... wow.

I won't question your intelligence. How does naive work for you?

(You ought to see Auburn's fantastic practice facility... amazingly enough, EVERY coach's office has a wall-window DIRECTLY OVERLOOKING the practice fields on which all the players in the off-season are doing their "voluntary" activities. If I was naive, I would bet that those coaches never look out those windows and act on what they are observing.)

lol.

If you believe a guy who played for a program ONE year ONLY......got 12 months of coaching from the Auburn staff you are flat out nuts.

Auburn coaches could only tell people about there relationship with Cam Newton based off of there 9-10 month relationship or so with Newton. That was the point........the BEST opinion you could get about who he was......was from coaches who only worked with him a few MONTHS. It would have helped squash some of the negative spin of Cam had been at Auburn 2 years or so.

Again, you are too defensive about anything Cam related.

[Panthro]

lol.

If you believe a guy who played for a program ONE year ONLY......got 12 months of coaching from the Auburn staff you are flat out nuts.

Auburn coaches could only tell people about there relationship with Cam Newton based off of there 9-10 month relationship or so with Newton. That was the point........the BEST opinion you could get about who he was......was from coaches who only worked with him a few MONTHS. It would have helped squash some of the negative spin of Cam had been at Auburn 2 years or so.

Again, you are too defensive about anything Cam related.

He must have had a helluva work ethic to only be coached for less than 12 months and still perform at such a high level