Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[tiger7_88]

Luck isn't the most talented guy on the field. Luck doesn't have the most talented players around him.

You couldn't say both of those about Cam in college.

What two NFL likely 1st rounders played on Cam's OL again?

Or maybe it was all those WR's Cam had that were (or will be) drafted?... no.

Or maybe it was that smash-hit running back duo of a 170 lb scat back and a freshman?

All that talent?

[Cat'sGrowl]

This is fact:

Cam Newton has learned one of the NFL's more complicated playbooks in a short span of time, and was more effective than any other rookie QB in the history of the game. He destroyed any of the misconceptions about him. He proved he was a highly intelligent young man.

So what I wanna know, and I just saw that Panthro beat me to this-What exactly is this opinion of his lack of intelligence being based on?

Please do tell.

[MHS831]

Is cam still black? Ok there are still work ethic questions. Is Luck still white and the next combo of elway/Marino/Montana rolled into one? Ok then the analysts will take him over a lazy black guy who relied simply on athletic ability to combine for 35 touchdowns and throw for over 4,000 yards in his rookie season. fug this noise.

The work ethic has nothing to do with race, or there is no reason to assume it does. It has something to do with the perception that Cam will go Hollywood, ICON and ENTERTAINER on us. I think that is wrong, but Cam's history and comments can be interpreted against him.

One year is a good sign. Give more of the same, and everyone shuts up.

[tiger7_88]

not really. not in terms of being able to show your QB ability. He had an OL. He had no WRs. He was forced to play small ball.

And Cam had Darvin Adams and Terrell Zachary.

Darvin Adams who spent the year on the Panthers practice squad.

And Terrell Zachary who... I don't even know. He's definitely not in the NFL.

[tiger7_88]

Cam had people who spoke highly of him. Yes. HOWEVER, you only had a pool of people who spent a couple months around him. That is where the school jumping hurts him. Fair or unfair, there is a big difference between taking the word of a coach who had been with a kid 3 years vs. a couple months.

:lol:

Dear sweet lord... he spent a FULL YEAR at Blinn and a FULL YEAR at Auburn.

What is this "couple of months" poo?

[CRA]

What two NFL likely 1st rounders played on Cam's OL again?

Or maybe it was all those WR's Cam had that were (or will be) drafted?... no.

Or maybe it was that smash-hit running back duo of a 170 lb scat back and a freshman?

All that talent?

see, my other posts....I made that more clear. That post was about Luck. Poor wording used when I said, "can't say both about Cam".

Point was, Cam didn't have the great talent around him......Cam was flat out the best player on the field every Saturday. The fact he was THAT type of rare talent does create questions. The fact Cam single handedly almost....went undefeated and won a National Champtionship speaks to how absurd his talent was. That creates questions about him.....FAIR OR UNFAIR.

[tiger7_88]

Point was, Cam didn't have the great talent around him......Cam was flat out the best player on the field every Saturday. The fact he was THAT type of rare talent does create questions. The fact Cam single handedly almost....went undefeated and won a National Champtionship speaks to how absurd his talent was. That creates questions about him.....FAIR OR UNFAIR.

I agree with you this far that what you describe DOES "create questions" about an athlete like that (fair or unfair).

But only when someone is so lazy that they don't want to bother doing any further research on the athlete.

Just from a lazy, incomplete surface look? Sure... "Wow, that kid is SO MUCH BETTER than anyone on the field, ergo... blah blah blah."

But then the people who take those lazy, incomplete surface views should be held accountable for their laziness and sloppiness.

[CRA]

:lol:

Dear sweet lord... he spent a FULL YEAR at Blinn and a FULL YEAR at Auburn.

What is this "couple of months" poo?

Yes.

It means the best endorsment Cam could get was from a coach was one who worked with him a couple months.

Name a coach who worked with Cam for more than a couple months then? There isn't one.

Adding coaches from different schools together doesn't change the fact there was not one with him an extended period of time.

The questions were raised and they had a right to be raised..........the Panthers sought the answers.

Nothing wrong w/ the questions. Carolina found the answers. The questions still needed to be asked though.

[Panthro]

Nothing wrong w/ the questions. Carolina found the answers. The questions still needed to be asked though.

not anymore

[CRA]

not anymore

new questions certainly can be asked. I have plenty.......and I was on the Cam bandwagon from the start.

I just think people are too sensitive. Cam got so much crap that a little comment stirs up all the old. Mayock didn't really say or do much. We got people trying to spin Mayock's Pro Bowl comments as something........he was just stating the obvious.

[trix123]

i hate you guys for making me have to "defend" mayock because i don't like him either (although this might not be as much a defense but more a clarification...).

here's what he said about newton:

2 questions here...

there have been several threads about this. it's a good question. it's an honest question. some people say this is something to really be worried about and that it might bring about that dreaded sophomore slump that so many are concerned about. it can happen.

the second question, though, has people overreacting...

i know it's easy to look at that question and throw out the disrespect card and for too many that ugly race card. did you notice something in that question? there's a certain word he used that implies he isn't implying the thing you think he's implying.

can a person continue to do something they haven't done? no. stupid question. the implication there isn't that he hasn't been working as hard as he needs. it's that he has been working as hard as he needs. right?

now the question is...will he keep it up? well? will he? sure...maybe...he should...we have no reason to doubt it. but it's just a question. there wasn't some "i'm just not sure" statement at the end like there was with his pre-draft crappy criticisms.

now i'm still slightly perturbed by mayock's lack of ability and integrity to come back and say he was wrong about questioning whether or not cam's heart was in it. i blame peter king for that tweet he sent out and mayock's lack of research that people seem to think is impeccable.

it's without question that cam worked his butt off last year. now the question is, will he keep it at that level? will he keep that same work ethic? i'm sure he will, but then i'm a fan.

as far as luck vs. newton in the draft...let me ask this question.

who would you take in the draft if both of these guys were at the start of their career? peyton manning or tom brady? or drew brees? everyone would have a different opinion on that. there's no doubting peyton's intelligence. the dude is an OC behind center. is tom brady just a great QB or just a great system QB? is brees so good because most his games are in domes or is he just a great QB that can do it anywhere? these kind of questions have gone on for years and people will argue over them.

right now that question is being asked about newton and luck just like it was last year. those two will continue to have that question asked throughout their careers. RG3 may be thrown in there as well. just because someone doesn't pick newton doesn't mean that they are racist. it doesn't mean they aren't. it doesn't have to do anything with it.

btw...anyone notice the comments mayock made about RG3? mayock loves him. loves everything about him.yep. sounds like a racist to me.

re: luck...he said that luck isn't a once in a lifetime type QB and said he couldn't be put on the level with peyton. said more the level of sam bradford. yes. sam bradford. not peyton manning. sam frikkin bradford. and people are commenting on that a lot. some bordering on meltdown saying that andrew luck is going to make mayock "eat his words" at the combine.

go ahead and throw out that racist card if it makes you feel better or whatever. throw out that disrespect card. i don't think it's warranted here, but whatever.

just thought i would throw out a differing perspective.

ibtdefendingaracistbecauseimwhite crap.

But isnt that just the point though........

He says Luck will be the next Sam Bradford.....but then says he would rather take Luck than Newton.....cuz I certainly wouldnt take Sam Bradford over Newton......

I know that people are also quick to throw out the RG3 thing and how much he like him......but as others said, RG3's background make it almost impossible for him to question his character...thats why you notice that his main critiques is his height and playing in the spread offense.

[Yaboychris28]

You people need to let it go. Who care what he says.You guys are defending Cam like he's your son. lol

[mav1234]

if we're talking about guys coming out of college, and not guys with pro experience, i would probably take newton third over luck and bradford too.

but obviously, now that Newton has played a year, why the hell would you take someone who is untested (Luck) over someone who his proven?

As to Bradford, he is better than he was this year but I'd still rather have Cam right now.

edit: people questioned Cam's work ethic because of the perception of his exit from Florida. The perception, whether it was driven by the media or what, was that he essentially left in disgrace, possibly amidst a cheating scandal, with a lot of problems at his back. This is why people questioned Cam.

IMO he has pretty much answered all those questions so I don't understand why people question his work ethic. I don't know if defenses will "figure him out" or something but I do know he's going to work hard to keep that from happening.

[bigdog10]

Somebody call me when Luck passes for 4,000+ yards, rushes for 700+ and contributes in scoring 35 total touchdowns in his rookie season (all the while being one of the more scrutinized first overall picks in recent draft history, having little to no offseason work in his offensive system, having a shortened training camp to develop chemistry, and turning the worst offensive unit into a top five one).

When Luck does all that, then (and only then) will I consider him in the same breath as Cam