Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[megadeth078]

Cam does show frustration. He does become a different player. He's gonna have to work on that, and I trust that he will based on the work ethic that he has proven to us so far. Mayock is a douche.

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[CRA]

In regards to the 3q......Cam's play in the passing game and leadership were glaring issues at times. We were pretty productive in the ground game on the 3rd.

[tiger7_88]

I can give you countless examples of players who dominated in college on raw talent alone...... it is done all the time

Possibly.

What I'm telling you is that that premise is not true about Newton and never was. Kid always worked hard as fug. Before the so-called "scandal" broke in 2010, SI did a story on Newton and it DETAILED the damned hard work he put in at Blinn College and Auburn and the glowing terms of which his coaches and teammates at Blinn and Auburn used to describe him, his work, and his team leadership.

And all those same coaches and teammates were right there willing to say the same things to media members, NFL scouts, coaches, and GMs after the season and prior to the draft.

BAMF and Hurney sure as hell talked to them. I get the feeling BAMF and Hurney (or their designated representatives) probably got around to talking all the way down to his high school and junior football coaches, teachers, Sunday School teachers, and childhood friends and acquaintances.

Why didn't Mayock? And, if he did, then where in the world DID he get his questions about Newton's "work ethic"?

[CRA]

Possibly.

What I'm telling you is that that premise is not true about Newton and never was. Kid always worked hard as fug. Before the so-called "scandal" broke in 2010, SI did a story on Newton and it DETAILED the damned hard work he put in at Blinn College and Auburn and the glowing terms of which his coaches and teammates at Blinn and Auburn used to describe him, his work, and his team leadership.

And all those same coaches and teammates were right there willing to say the same things to media members, NFL scouts, coaches, and GMs after the season and prior to the draft.

BAMF and Hurney sure as hell talked to them. I get the feeling BAMF and Hurney (or their designated representatives) probably got around to talking all the way down to his high school and junior football coaches, teachers, Sunday School teachers, and childhood friends and acquaintances.

Why didn't Mayock? And, if he did, then where in the world DID he get his questions about Newton's "work ethic"?

all I am saying is the questions now and then are different. Then, Cam's work ethic did have some questions simply b/c of what a freak and one man show he was in college.....I think you question any kid like that coming out.

What he saw him do as a rookie now shows he has the work ethic. That wasn't clear prior despite there being signs pointing to it.

However, if Cam implodes and goes into a shell at times now in the pros out of frustation......that is something he now needs to PROVE he can overcome. That is something we have never seen from him to date at any level. Will take a different type of work. More mental than anything. However, it is a legit question if he can overcome such.

I don't agree with Mayock's questions. I do believe you can still question if Cam can reach his ceiling.........and it doesn't have to do with his willingness to work hard prior to gameday.

[King Taharqa]

His skin tone. One reason I wanted us to bring in a Newton was I knew that was the only way some would see the double standard and over the top favoritism to lesser white QBs that I complained about for years. People are seeing it firsthand now. Make no mistake about it, Luck is the lesser QB and talent that has flaws in his game. Mayock aims to distract us from that by highlighting Cam's concerns. And when guys like Mayock do this it makes people question a lot of other QBs. If theyve done it for Luck Im sure theyve overhyped and lied on other "absolutes".

[Marguide]

all I am saying is the questions now and then are different. Then, Cam's work ethic did have some questions simply b/c of what a freak and one man show he was in college.....I think you question any kid like that coming out.

What he saw him do as a rookie now shows he has the work ethic. That wasn't clear prior despite there being signs pointing to it.

However, if Cam implodes and goes into a shell at times now in the pros out of frustation......that is something he now needs to PROVE he can overcome. That is something we have never seen from him to date at any level. Will take a different type of work. More mental than anything. However, it is a legit question if he can overcome such.

I don't agree with Mayock's questions. I do believe you can still question if Cam can reach his ceiling.........and it doesn't have to do with his willingness to work hard prior to gameday.

Guess what...every NFL QB has flaws that can be improved on.

Aaron Rodgers threw the ball inaccurately in his last game. Is he a "choker"? Of course not.

Brady screams at his OC. Is he a "bad apple"? No

Peyton has occasionally called out teammates and performed poorly in big games. Does that define him? No.

The difference with Cam is there exists a certain vocal minority that question every little flaw he displays and uses it to suggest that it is a sign of some impending future failure. To me, it says more about those critics than it does about Cam.

And no, you don't hear the same type complaints about Dalton or Ponder or even Gabbert. People may question their skill, but they do not generally question their leadership or work ethic.

It gets very tiring.

[CRA]

His skin tone. One reason I wanted us to bring in a Newton was I knew that was the only way some would see the double standard and over the top favoritism to lesser white QBs that I complained about for years. People are seeing it firsthand now. Make no mistake about it, Luck is the lesser QB and talent that has flaws in his game. Mayock aims to distract us from that by highlighting Cam's concerns. And when guys like Mayock do this it makes people question a lot of other QBs. If theyve done it for Luck Im sure theyve overhyped and lied on other "absolutes".

Don't know about that. Cam has the higher ceiling b/c physically we have seen nothing like him. Is Luck a lesser QB? Don't know......I think he will come into the league as a better all around passer than Cam. I think Luck probably will be more consistant as a passer. They will be two completely different players. I could see Luck going the Sam Bradford route and playing small ball great early on and sprinkling in some of his athleticism.

[Panthro]

His skin tone. One reason I wanted us to bring in a Newton was I knew that was the only way some would see the double standard and over the top favoritism to lesser white QBs that I complained about for years. People are seeing it firsthand now. Make no mistake about it, Luck is the lesser QB and talent that has flaws in his game. Mayock aims to distract us from that by highlighting Cam's concerns. And when guys like Mayock do this it makes people question a lot of other QBs. If theyve done it for Luck Im sure theyve overhyped and lied on other "absolutes".

even if they arent conscience of it

[Udogg]

all I am saying is the questions now and then are different. Then, Cam's work ethic did have some questions simply b/c of what a freak and one man show he was in college.....I think you question any kid like that coming out.

Why? I don't understand this at all. If Coaches say he has excellent work ethic. If there are numerous stories about him working out, bringing other people to work out with him during the offseason, how are there work ethic questions?? This makes no sense at all to me, maybe I'm missing something but if all the people who are actually there and around him say he putting in phenomenal work with actual stories how is it questioned so much?

For example .. Andrew Luck has a great work ethic? How do I know this because all the analyst say so. However I can't find one person sighting an actual example of it. No stories of off season work with receivers, excusing parties to practice or work out. Other than being at the Manning QB Camp nada. It's kind of just assumed he has great work ethic.

Cam was more successful in a harder conference. Like Luck turned a team that was not very good into a contender. Cam actually won a championship. Yet his work ethic is questioned? Have you heard anything about Sam Bradfords work ethic being questioned? I am trying to look at this from different angles but I keep coming up with the same question? What has Cam done to have his work ethic questioned. Nothing other than race makes sense to me.

[CRA]

Guess what...every NFL QB has flaws that can be improved on.

Aaron Rodgers threw the ball inaccurately in his last game. Is he a "choker"? Of course not.

Brady screams at his OC. Is he a "bad apple"? No

Peyton has occasionally called out teammates and performed poorly in big games. Does that define him? No.

The difference with Cam is there exists a certain vocal minority that question every little flaw he displays and uses it to suggest that it is a sign of some impending future failure. To me, it says more about those critics than it does about Cam.

And no, you don't hear the same type complaints about Dalton or Ponder or even Gabbert. People may question their skill, but they do not generally question their leadership or work ethic.

It gets very tiring.

and there are some who can't put what was said last offseason behind them. A lot of great things are being said about Cam now. There are people who question if Gabbert's flaws can EVER be fixed now. He just gets little air play b/c no one gives a poo about him now.

None of those guys have Cam's potential and therefore will never be judged as harsh.........and that basic principle has nothing to do with race.

I think people are overracting to the current "work ethic" question. The question is always raised when unique athletes have success.......and how will they perform once teams begin to gameplan more for them. That was brought up every week this year for WHITE The Golden Calf of Bristol. What will happen when teams gameplan for the Denver gimmick The Golden Calf of Bristol offense as time goes on? Can The Golden Calf of Bristol and Denver adjust and see success?

[CRA]

Why? I don't understand this at all. If Coaches say he has excellent work ethic. If there are numerous stories about him working out, bringing other people to work out with him during the offseason, how are there work ethic questions?? This makes no sense at all to me, maybe I'm missing something but if all the people who are actually there and around him say he putting in phenomenal work with actual stories how is it questioned so much?

For example .. Andrew Luck has a great work ethic? How do I know this because all the analyst say so. However I can't find one person sighting an actual example of it. No stories of off season work with receivers, excusing parties to practice or work out. Other than being at the Manning QB Camp nada. It's kind of just assumed he has great work ethic.

Cam was more successful in a harder conference. Like Luck turned a team that was not very good into a contender. Cam actually won a championship. Yet his work ethic is questioned? Have you heard anything about Sam Bradfords work ethic being questioned? I am trying to look at this from different angles but I keep coming up with the same question? What has Cam done to have his work ethic questioned. Nothing other than race makes sense to me.

what specifically was said about his work ethic recently you strongly disagree with? be specific? Don't just broadly say what Mayock said......what exactly did he say?

[Udogg]

I think people are overracting to the current "work ethic" question. The question is always raised when unique athletes have success.......and how will they perform once teams begin to gameplan more for them. That was brought up every week this year for WHITE The Golden Calf of Bristol. What will happen when teams gameplan for the Denver gimmick The Golden Calf of Bristol offense as time goes on.

I have never ever heard of a work ethic problem for The Golden Calf of Bristol. Every one praises the strides he has made and his outstanding work ethic. However they also say he has bad throwing motion(which to me is work ethic problem if it's still not fixed), Poor footwork (work ethic), and problems reading defenses (yup, sounds work ethic question to me). However his work ethics are never ever questioned? Why?

[Snake]

I don't see Ryan Leaf, I think Luck has a much better head on his shoulders... I'm just not sure Luck (or anyone for that matter) can live up to all this hype.

I dont think he will suck a Football like Leaf did but I think people should be looking into his work ethic a little more than Cams. He was willing to walk away from a whole lot of money last year just so he could pursue his dream to be an architect. Whats to say he does not like the riggers of the NFL and the pressure and says goodbye after a year or two. I def can see that playing out with Luck.

[Udogg]

what specifically was said about his work ethic recently you strongly disagree with? be specific? Don't just broadly say what Mayock said......what exactly did he say?

"will Cam Newton continue to work as hard as he needs to to stay ahead of that curve?"

Why would he stop working hard? What in his past would make it seem like he wouldn't work hard?