Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[CRA]

Nice, I type all of that, and you call me a retard as a retort.

typical huddle discussion

I said that mindset is retarded and it is. I didn't call you specifically a retard. It is retarded to take a stance that you can't speak on Cam's negatives. He has them. Acknowledging them is fine.

[Panthro]

If these were the questions I don't think there would be a problem here. It's that work ethic question that apparently is going to dog him for forever that seems to be the problem. Saying Cam still has some maturing to do in the quarterback/leadership proccess is valid. Saying he has to work to stay ahead of the curve? Who's curve?

You could argue he is better than all but probably 8 QB's in the league right now. I don't think there is really a QB under 30 you would take over him right now, he has proven he can play in the NFL. There has never been one iota of press about his work ethic being any issue. Not one single article and believe me, so many people were negative about him they would love something like that as an I told you so.

So it still comes down to how does Mayock question his work ethic? Is it based on Coaches comments? Nope. Blinn, Auburn and Carolina coaches have all said he has a great work ethic. Is it based on teamate comments? Other than Nawaroki's mysterious GM sources I haven't seen any other mention of it. Was it based off his performance this past year? Nope couldn't be that. So what was it based on?????

this post sums it up. nicely done

[megadeth078]

I said that mindset is retarded and it is. I didn't call you specifically a retard. It is retarded to take a stance that you can't speak on Cam's negatives. He has them. Acknowledging them is fine.

But what does negative criticisms of Cam's temper (which is fine, believe me) have to do with supporting Mayock's unwarranted criticism of Cam's work ethic? Weren't you agreeing with him? How does it relate? I responded that way because you implied that questions concerning his temper were reasonably connected to criticisms of his work ethic. Now you're saying that the criticisms you brought up have nothing to do with Mayock's criticisms? Weren't you defending Mayock? wtf man

[footballisasport]

First off when talking about racial bias with analysts it doesn't mean that they hate every black QB. But what does happen is often the bar is set higher for the black QB ESPECIALLY in the area of intelligence and work ethic. Often times black QBs have to prove that they are not dumb and lazy so people will stop questioning it (think Josh Freeman whose intelligence was questioned until he scored a 28 on the wonderlic) whereas a white QB often times has to "prove" they are dumb and lazy before that question exists.

The other thing is that many draft analysts equate any type of "street" in a person's voice as being unintelligent.

I love RG3 but he is also a nonthreatening black guy. He wears Superman and Sponge Bob Square pants socks. He is humble and articulate. He is the type of african American that many older white Americans find acceptable. Modest, dresses like a clown, and knows his place.

RG3 is the kind of black guy that white people hang out with so they can tell their friends they have a black friend so therefore they are not racists.

I agree with you.

Mike Mayock is shallow and selfrighteous. He likes the black QB that isn't a threat to the "chosen QB." Who would have thought.

Funny that RGIII is just as intelligent, if not more than Luck and is just as athletic but is told that he's not as good as Luck because he didn't come from a Pro-style offense? REALLY???

[CRA]

But what does negative criticisms of Cam's temper (which is fine, believe me) have to do with supporting Mayock's unwarranted criticism of Cam's work ethic? Weren't you agreeing with him? How does it relate? I responded that way because you implied that questions concerning his temper were reasonably connected to criticisms of his work ethic. Now you're saying that the criticisms you brought up have nothing to do with Mayock's criticisms? Weren't you defending Mayock? wtf

I don't really agree or disagree with him. I don't like Mayock.....but I think Cam has some things he needs to work and if creative you could possibly put those under "work ethic". Also, most of what he said is standard stuff you would say about any QB who saw successs.

I think Cam will be better than Luck. Mayock is going to stick with horse. That is what those in the media do. Cam could of thrown for 5000 and he would have stayed on Luck. Luck staying in school probably will be the best thing that has happened for this franchise.

[KillerKat]

Another EPIC FAIL trying to turn any negative question about Cam into ANYTHING to do with race.

Let it go.

You are blind too if you don't see how this ISN'T race related. This is blatant racism.

[KillerKat]

The fact that you equate someone questioning an athlete's work ethic to being a racial remark proves only ONE thing....that you are likely a racist.

Cam's success WAS due to his unique skillset....and Chud's ability to really create a unique offense. Cam will have to continue to develop as a passer, because defense WILL adapt to some of the things that he was able to do. It is in NO WAY a guaranteed racially motivated remark.

Mayock very well may be a racist, but it is still SAD that so many STILL claim racism if anyone questions Cam.

Just please stop posting. You're only embarrasing yourself more and more.

[tiger7_88]

when a player in college is the best athlete on the field.......it often is hard to tell if it is raw talent dominating or a product of that and someone doing all the right things.

Coming out, with as little info as there was on Cam......it is easy to see how some could wonder exactly how hard of a worker he was. Guys can dominate in college on talent alone.

No, that would not be "easy" to do. You have to go out of your way to ignore HIS COACHES and HIS TEAMMATES who stated time and again he was first-guy-in-last-guy-out as well as grabbing his teammates to go and practice/work-out outside of the NCAA-limited practices the coaches are allowed.

If you did that (which seemingly they didn't) and heard that (which seemingly they also didn't), it would not be "easy" at all to have such concerns. Your concerns at that point would be ALLAYED.

Why do you think BAMF and Hurney were so excited about Cam? Because THEY obviously did the work that douches like Mayock and lots of other NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's didn't want to be bothered to do since that would have likely corrected their "impression" and "evaluation".

[KillerKat]

The fact that you equate someone questioning an athlete's work ethic to being a racial remark proves only ONE thing....that you are likely a racist.

Cam's success WAS due to his unique skillset....and Chud's ability to really create a unique offense. Cam will have to continue to develop as a passer, because defense WILL adapt to some of the things that he was able to do. It is in NO WAY a guaranteed racially motivated remark.

Mayock very well may be a racist, but it is still SAD that so many STILL claim racism if anyone questions Cam.

What's also funny is you calling someone racist for calling out something that actually is racist, which means you are defending racism..guess what that makes you?

[tiger7_88]

now you aren't thinking logically.

As good as Cam was HE DID SHOW NEGATIVES to his game.

Oh no! A rookie has negatives in his game!

Wait... come to think of it, watching the NFL every week I can swear that I see 10-year veterans at times "show negatives" in their games.

And, finally, going back to the issue at hand, what the living hell does that have to do with his WORK ETHIC?

[megadeth078]

I don't really agree or disagree with him. I don't like Mayock.....but I think Cam has some things he needs to work and if creative you could possibly put those under "work ethic". Also, most of what he said is standard stuff you would say about any QB who saw successs.

I'm sorry, but that is not even close to the definition of work ethic.

Work ethic -> having faults to work on and working on them

No work ethic -> having faults to work on and not working on them

Cam has given Mayock no reason to doubt his work ethic, yet Mayock insists on branding him as questionable over the matter. There's something wrong here. It's really as simple as that. You can ignore all the racism stuff people are spewing because it doesn't really matter. Mayock's opinions aren't worth poo if he just pulls up stats and judges players either on their personality or absolutely randomly. Mayock needs to actually watch football before giving opinions about football. I think that's what everyone here is trying to stress.

Have your opinions, CRA. They're grounded, knowledgeable ones based on having watched and studied our team. But don't try to relate them to the opinions of a man from the outside looking in who judges our players so thoroughly without even watching them for longer than 5 minutes at a time.

[teeray]

I also hate the media and draftniks because they have forced me to root against Andrew Luck before he has even taken a snap in the NFL. It is a shame because I think he is going to be really good and I should be looking forward to what he is going to accomplish. Instead I just want him to fail as a fug you to all these draft guys saying he is the best QB ever.

[DaCityKats]

If Cam gets frustrated......he has shown he will get lazy with his mechanics which hurts his performance.....he has also shown that he will quit leading at times and sulk. Can't argue that.

Now, Cam can work out all day and study all day.....but that stuff also falls under the "work ethic" umbrella. Cam can't do that anymore. It CAN be questioned.

what QB does not get lazy when they are frustrated. even Brady does, when things are going bad. he yells at teammates and coaches, will not step into throws, force passes so that point is mute.

[CRA]

No, that would not be "easy" to do. You have to go out of your way to ignore HIS COACHES and HIS TEAMMATES who stated time and again he was first-guy-in-last-guy-out as well as grabbing his teammates to go and practice/work-out outside of the NCAA-limited practices the coaches are allowed.

If you did that (which seemingly they didn't) and heard that (which seemingly they also didn't), it would not be "easy" at all to have such concerns. Your concerns at that point would be ALLAYED.

Why do you think BAMF and Hurney were so excited about Cam? Because THEY obviously did the work that douches like Mayock and lots of other NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's didn't want to be bothered to do since that would have likely corrected their "impression" and "evaluation".

I can give you countless examples of players who dominated in college on raw talent alone...... it is done all the time