Mayock hits all the Huddle sore spots; Luck vs. Newton, AJ, and Coples

[teeray]

So why does he love Robert Griffin?

First off when talking about racial bias with analysts it doesn't mean that they hate every black QB. But what does happen is often the bar is set higher for the black QB ESPECIALLY in the area of intelligence and work ethic. Often times black QBs have to prove that they are not dumb and lazy so people will stop questioning it (think Josh Freeman whose intelligence was questioned until he scored a 28 on the wonderlic) whereas a white QB often times has to "prove" they are dumb and lazy before that question exists.

The other thing is that many draft analysts equate any type of "street" in a person's voice as being unintelligent.

I love RG3 but he is also a nonthreatening black guy. He wears Superman and Sponge Bob Square pants socks. He is humble and articulate. He is the type of african American that many older white Americans find acceptable. Modest, dresses like a clown, and knows his place.

RG3 is the kind of black guy that white people hang out with so they can tell their friends they have a black friend so therefore they are not racists.

[Panthro]

different questions.

like I said, Cam showed some things as a ROOKIE that could cause problems this upcoming season.

He gets frustrated.....mechnaics go to pot...he hurts the team.

He gets frustrated.....doesn't lead.....he hurts the team.

That could get better or worse. Legit question. Race has nothing to do with that.

I wish Mayock would have said that instead of what he did.

[CRA]

If Cam getting frustrated means getting 4000 yards passing/500 yards rushing. What's the problem?

oh wait he's black....

now you aren't thinking logically.

As good as Cam was HE DID SHOW NEGATIVES to his game. You clearly just glossed over some very real ones......one his own teammates had to call him on.

Hopefully he works on those but they could cause problems.

[Riverboat Ron]

First off when talking about racial bias with analysts it doesn't mean that they hate every black QB. But what does happen is often the bar is set higher for the black QB ESPECIALLY in the area of intelligence and work ethic. Often times black QBs have to prove that they are not dumb and lazy so people will stop questioning it (think Josh Freeman whose intelligence was questioned until he scored a 28 on the wonderlic) whereas a white QB often times has to "prove" they are dumb and lazy before that question exists.

The other thing is that many draft analysts equate any type of "street" in a person's voice as being unintelligent.

I love RG3 but he is also a nonthreatening black guy. He wears Superman and Sponge Bob Square pants socks. He is humble and articulate. He is the type of african American that many older white Americans find acceptable. Modest, dresses like a clown, and knows his place.

RG3 is the kind of black guy that white people hang out with so they can tell their friends they have a black friend so therefore they are not racists.

meh, RGIII was born in Japan so everyone knows he works hard. Knows how to dance and does math faster than a calculator. Best of both worlds.

[teeray]

Haha. No, Dalton will be fine, because he wasn't relying on his 'skillset' or 'athleticism' or relying on his OC to create a fabulous offense.

Chudzinski is a good O-Coordinator and I love how we used Cam.

But he is also the guy who was the coordinator in Cleveland in 2008 whose offenses were held to 11 points or less in 10 of 16 games, single digit scoring in 6 of 16 games, and was shut out twice.

Now that team had some turmoil, but my point is he isn't an offensive genius.

[footballisasport]

You can defend Macock's comments all you want....

we all know if it was Dalton or Gabbert or any white QB that had the same year as Cam, NO ONE would be questioning their work ethic. I'm not saying Mayock is a prejudice person himself, I doubt he is. BUT IMO IT IS AN UNCONSICOUS STEREOTYPE THAT IS INGRAINED IN HIS LITTLE BRAIN THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN TEND TO BE LAZY, AND THAT IS WHY HE SAID THAT ISH!

If you can't understand that, you probably lack critical thinking skills and you are more than likely a republican.

Funny, I was watching NFLN this week and they aired a show about racism in the NFL. What I found so interesting is, most of the tone and attitude of the sports media back then seem not to far from the attitude of the sports media today in the NFL today.

IMO, when documentaries like that airs, it should be watched with critical eyes. So we can ask ourselves that serious question, have we truly moved away from that "one race is more superior" mindset? Or, have we just figured out a more subtle approach to continue pushing the same one race is more superior?

[panther4life]

Anybody who saw the Pro Bowl knows that Mayock is still butthurt over Cam making him look like an ass. I have lost all respect for that guy as an analyst. I don't expect anyone to have a high success rate at trying to predict the draft but don't be a little bitch about it after the fact. Admit you were wrong and move on.

That being said, this thread should probably be locked, seems to be getting out of hand with others insulting each other all because some pettyass analyst was wrong and can't stand to admit it.

[megadeth078]

I seriously can't believe people can diss Cam because he gets frustrated when he's not winning. Shrugging off bad moments like they were nothing is exactly what happens when "keeping it real goes wrong". Let's all bash him because he takes bad situations personally, doesn't let anything slide, and accepts responsibility in his mistakes. "His mechanics and leadership go to pot"? Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that he was still a rookie, still learning, and that those faults can easily be blamed on inexperience. He's not incapable of learning from his mistakes, guys. Did Mayock tell you that?

He's not a 5-year vet, guys. Give him some time before doubting him. Hell, at least wait until he doesn't have a 4000 yard passing/500 yard rushing season first before doubting him. I can accept people "from the outside looking in" doubting him over stuff they just don't know anything about, but our own fans? For shame guys. For shame. For once, going into the next season, we can finally relieve ourselves from having to worry about the QB situation, but no, some people seem to have post-traumatic stress disorder when it comes to this kinda situation and they just have to spoil everyone's fun with unwarranted, exaggerated criticisms and doubts over our quarterback. Some people just can't handle finally having something good that they've always wanted it seems.

[CRA]

I seriously can't believe people can diss Cam because he gets frustrated when he's not winning. Shrugging off bad moments like they were nothing is exactly what happens when "keeping it real goes wrong". Let's all bash him because he takes bad situations personally, doesn't let anything slide, and accepts responsibility in his mistakes. "His mechanics and leadership go to pot"? Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that he was still a rookie, still learning, and that those faults can easily be blamed on inexperience. He's not incapable of learning from his mistake, guys. Did Mayock tell you that?

He's not a 5-year vet guys. Give him some time before doubting him. Hell, at least wait until he doesn't have a 4000 yard passing/500 yard rushing season first before doubting him. I can accept people "from the outside looking in" doubting him over stuff they just don't know anything about, but our own fans? For shame guys. For shame. For once, going into the next season, we can finally relieve ourselves from having to worry about the QB situation, but no, some people seem to have post-traumatic stress disorder when it comes to this kinda situation and they just have to spoil everyone's fun with unwarranted criticisms and doubts over our quarterback. Some people just can't handle finally having something good that they've always wanted it seems.

Saying Cam needs to work on not letting his frustation screw up his mechanics and isolate himself from his teammates.......isn't bashing him. He is a young player. He is suppose to have things to work on.

this mindset where if you speak on a negative aspect you should be ashamed is retarded.

Cam needs to work on consistant mecahnics, consistant on field leadership, and not sucking ass in the 3rd Q. You can say all that, love what you have in Newton, and think he is on the road for greatness.

[teeray]

Anybody who saw the Pro Bowl knows that Mayock is still butthurt over Cam making him look like an ass. I have lost all respect for that guy as an analyst. I don't expect anyone to have a high success rate at trying to predict the draft but don't be a little bitch about it after the fact. Admit you were wrong and move on.

That being said, this thread should probably be locked, seems to be getting out of hand with others insulting each other all because some pettyass analyst was wrong and can't stand to admit it.

Don't lock this thread. It takes conversations like these to get the juices flowing in the offseason. Most people on here can take it and if they get offended they will get over it in no time.

[teeray]

Saying Cam needs to work on not letting his frustation screw up his mechanics and isolate himself from his teammates.......isn't bashing him. He is a young player. He is suppose to have things to work on.

this mindset where if you speak on a negative aspect you should be ashamed is retarded.

Cam needs to work on consistant mecahnics, consistant on field leadership, and not sucking ass in the 3rd Q. You can say all that, love what you have in Newton, and think he is on the road for greatness.

There are a lot of things Cam need to work on. The scary thing is despite his record setting performance last year he still has a ton of room to grow as a person and QB.

But work ethic is last on the list of my worries with Cam. That is the point. Out of all the things to be critical of with him, questioning his work ethic at this point screams racial bias

[Shermdog]

"Though Mayock had Blaine Gabbert ranked ahead of Newton for much of the pre-draft process"

That's all you need to know about Mayock's QB evaluation skills. I don't know anything about Quarterbacks and I could tell Gabbbert wasn't going to cut it after watching some tape on him. Either he doesn't know poo or Gabbert's agent was paying him. Either way I wont be listening to what he has to say.

[megadeth078]

Saying Cam needs to work on not letting his frustation screw up his mechanics and isolate himself from his teammates.......isn't bashing him. He is a young player. He is suppose to have things to work on.

this mindset where if you speak on a negative aspect you should be ashamed is retarded.

Cam needs to work on consistant mecahnics, consistant on field leadership, and not sucking ass in the 3rd Q. You can say all that, love what you have in Newton, and think he is on the road for greatness.

Nice, I type all of that, and you call me a retard as a retort.

typical huddle discussion

[Udogg]

different questions.

like I said, Cam showed some things as a ROOKIE that could cause problems this upcoming season.

He gets frustrated.....mechnaics go to pot...he hurts the team.

He gets frustrated.....doesn't lead.....he hurts the team.

That could get better or worse. Legit question. Race has nothing to do with that.

If these were the questions I don't think there would be a problem here. It's that work ethic question that apparently is going to dog him for forever that seems to be the problem. Saying Cam still has some maturing to do in the quarterback/leadership proccess is valid. Saying he has to work to stay ahead of the curve? Who's curve?

You could argue he is better than all but probably 8 QB's in the league right now. I don't think there is really a QB under 30 you would take over him right now, he has proven he can play in the NFL. There has never been one iota of press about his work ethic being any issue. Not one single article and believe me, so many people were negative about him they would love something like that as an I told you so.

So it still comes down to how does Mayock question his work ethic? Is it based on Coaches comments? Nope. Blinn, Auburn and Carolina coaches have all said he has a great work ethic. Is it based on teamate comments? Other than Nawaroki's mysterious GM sources I haven't seen any other mention of it. Was it based off his performance this past year? Nope couldn't be that. So what was it based on?????