Top Candidates to restructure or extend their contracts.

[carolinarolls]

I throw up in my mouth when I look at Gross's situation in the OP.

Davis will restructure. He won't want to but he will not have a choice.

That said, nobody knows more about the body than the person himself. If he feels confident to go full speed in drill and accelerate out of the cuts like he has always done after reconstruction I feel even better.

I would say I would feel better once a team of doctors in Charlotte, yes a team that is world renowned or reconstructive surgery and a source even for other players from other teams to get help puts their stamp on it, but we would never see the full speed drills if they did not.

It amazes me that people here look at knee injuries like they are a sign of the future. They aren't. SOme people can heal from them. SOme people can heal over and over. The Dan Morgan situation was different. His injuries were largely a result of how he played. If it has been deemed that the way TD plays (cuts, speed, acceleration, out of position catch up, etc) ampliffies his chances for getting hurt (Tiger's swing/knee) then that is one thing that will lead me to believe he is a risk. But three injuries in three different type accidents is not enough to hang the fragile tag on him.

Knees are not like jaws that break over and over in the ring. This is not a fracture that keeps opening up and breaking at the weak spots. These are tendons and ligaments. they repair it differently each time with synthetic and nonsynthetic combinations of material. They rehab it, test it, and examine the progress in different ways each time.

If these brilliant guys who spent a fourth of their lives or better in school learning about human anatomy and repair say the knee is a go, I agree with them long before I would any armchair GM's who's experience is limited to what fantasy football, madden, and RPG's has bestowed upon them.

[rayzor]

I throw up in my mouth when I look at Gross's situation in the OP.

Davis will restructure. He won't want to but he will not have a choice.

That said, nobody knows more about the body than the person himself. If he feels confident to go full speed in drill and accelerate out of the cuts like he has always done after reconstruction I feel even better.

I would say I would feel better once a team of doctors in Charlotte, yes a team that is world renowned or reconstructive surgery and a source even for other players from other teams to get help puts their stamp on it, but we would never see the full speed drills if they did not.

It amazes me that people here look at knee injuries like they are a sign of the future. They aren't. SOme people can heal from them. SOme people can heal over and over. The Dan Morgan situation was different. His injuries were largely a result of how he played. If it has been deemed that the way TD plays (cuts, speed, acceleration, out of position catch up, etc) ampliffies his chances for getting hurt (Tiger's swing/knee) then that is one thing that will lead me to believe he is a risk. But three injuries in three different type accidents is not enough to hang the fragile tag on him.

Knees are not like jaws that break over and over in the ring. This is not a fracture that keeps opening up and breaking at the weak spots. These are tendons and ligaments. they repair it differently each time with synthetic and nonsynthetic combinations of material. They rehab it, test it, and examine the progress in different ways each time.

If these brilliant guys who spent a fourth of their lives or better in school learning about human anatomy and repair say the knee is a go, I agree with them long before I would any armchair GM's who's experience is limited to what fantasy football, madden, and RPG's has bestowed upon them.

"but...but...but...i tore a tendon years ago and it still hurts and i was never the same!"

[thatlookseasy]

lol

how long have u been around? not even close

Not most harmful to the team, obviously he's made some moves that really hurt and missing on 1st round picks is obviously more harmful than wasting a few million bucks.

But giving 8 million guaranteed to a guy who has missed 2 straight season with major knee injuries? How do you give this guy a guaranteed contract at all? Makes no sense whatsoever, You cant seriously be surprised that he suffered yet another serious knee injury.

[rayzor]

Not most harmful to the team, obviously he's made some moves that really hurt and missing on 1st round picks is obviously more harmful than wasting a few million bucks.

But giving 8 million guaranteed to a guy who has missed 2 straight season with major knee injuries? How do you give this guy a guaranteed contract at all? Makes no sense whatsoever, You cant seriously be surprised that he suffered yet another serious knee injury.

*sigh* just because it says "guaranteed" doesn't mean it was. they gave themselves an out in case he wasn't healthy.

[panthers55]

As for Davis's knee if this surgery doesn't work he is likely done. From what I was told when I had ACL surgery many years ago, there is a limit to how often it can be done. It has to do with the actual repair and the fact that you take bone which is attached to the ACL ligament in the case of a cadaver or the patelar tendon in my case and Davis's this time I think, and attach it to the repair site with screws or other hardware. If you have to repeat the surgury you have to do it again and screw in another piece of bone etc. You can do it only a few times before you make the repair site unstable and full of scar tissue and unable to accept another repair.

I am no surgeon so I could be wrong but I suspect this is his last shot. Will it work this time? I surely hope so for his sake.

[thatlookseasy]

*sigh* just because it says "guaranteed" doesn't mean it was. they gave themselves an out in case he wasn't healthy.

I very much hope so. I dont pretend to know how his contract is written, I did more to qualify that in my first post. I'm just going based on what has been written in the thread

[frash.exe]

Lol guys davis is finished suck it up and move on

[rayzor]

hope so or not. that's the way it was written.

don't get caught up in these numbers. they most likely aren't accurate and really don't matter because they are going to be changing in the next couple months.

really not something to get worked up about. even if there is a struggle with the cap in 2012 won't have a bearing on what happens from then on. the cap is most definitely going to sky rocket in coming years because of the new tv deals. contracts that get redone will probably be heavily backloaded. all these deals that are causing so much stress for those who are getting worried about them (which doesn't include me) will only really be an issue this year.

[panther4life]

If Wharton were to be cut,its unlikely we would do it before june 1st. If we cut him now its would only equate to an immediate savings of 3.7 million, vs a savings of 5.7 million against this years cap if we did it after june 1st.

Just to clarify these examples and why you about june 1st cuts every year:

If a player is cut before June 1st, their remaing unpaid guranteed money "signing bonus" counts immediately against the cap. If cut after June 1st then they can spread the hit over the next 2 years instead.

For those who needed more clarity on the Wharton situation.

I see that the first 2 on my list were reported alreadyand that we did re-sign Hangman..very curious to see what we did with the others mentioned.