Top Candidates to restructure or extend their contracts.

[panther4life]

in reality most of those guys will find a contract elsewhere and still take the bonus when we cut them. TD would even get a minimal contract somewhere

Thats why I said restructure not cut them.

Other than nostalgia and hopes of winning a SB there is no incentive to restructure

Look at Gross, he has very little guranteed money coming to him. We can change that for him by restructuring his contract by giving him more guranteed money. Its a no brainer for him.

[Mvp2014]

I understand it just fine. What you fail to realize is that another team will pay them that same money. This is business and they want to get paid NOW.

[jtnc]

I understand it just fine. What you fail to realize is that another team will pay them that same money. This is business and they want to get paid.

Wtf are you talking about? They still are gonna get paid, it's just not against the cap. Comprehension fuging fail.

[ed bell]

in reality most of those guys will find a contract elsewhere and still take the bonus when we cut them. TD would even get a minimal contract somewhere

Other than nostalgia and hopes of winning a SB there is no incentive to restructure

Players agree to contract restructuring with their current teams all the time....it doesn't mean they get less money.

[CarolinaNCSU]

May have already been said, but give TD a low contract that is incentive based. If he can't go, no worries. If he plays well, hot damn.

[panther4life]

I understand it just fine. What you fail to realize is that another team will pay them that same money. This is business and they want to get paid NOW.

Okay Genius. Lets use Gross an example. Right now if we cut him outright he will get get 2.49 million from us. If we restructure him and give him more guranteed money(lessening the likeliehood that we cut him), then he can collect the rest of his 23.9 million that we owe him over the course of the next 3 years in addition to the the 2.49 he's already guranteed.

It would be quite a gamble on his part to assume he can go somewhere else and get that kind of guranteed money elsewhere over the next 3 years.

Heres another way of looking at it. Lets say you agreed to a contract with me where I gurantee you payment of 2.4 million over the 3 years and in additional 23.9 million if I like the job you do. Then one day I get in a bind and say hey listen, I can pay you your 2.5 million right now and we can part as friends. Or I can say hey if you'll accept less next year I will gurantee you the remaining payment of 26.4 I owe you before the 3 year period is up.

Go ahead and gamble that someone else may pay you that much guranteed over the next 3 years and have fun moving and learning a new system,hope you like your next coach,and all that other bullpoo you may incur by being a greedy gambler.

Bottom line if he says no I am not going to restructure then we are not going to cut him anyway. Its just worth asking for a multitude of reasons that would benefit both sides.

[MHS831]

When Marty extends contracts, he is the Santa Clause of the NFL. Why is Hangartner on the list? Is he not UFA now? I still think giving TD millions in guaranteed money was ignorant.

He gave Godfrey a sweet deal, and he is average. I suppose Sherrod Martin needs to start pricing Summer homes in Malibu.

Wharton needs to be reduced to the $2 million range or cut. Good run blocker, terrible pass blocker.

[MadHatter]

The information that I saw on Davis was that his 2012 Cap hit would be $5.9M....not $11M+.

Going to find link.

[MadHatter]

Here you go:

Time to take a look at the NFC South players that are scheduled to have the highest 2012 salary-cap figures.

Let’s be clear, these numbers are not what the players will actually make in 2012. These numbers simply reflect what they’ll count against the salary cap. And let’s also be clear that this list isn’t quite complete. You can bet Drew Brees will be on here once the quarterback signs a new deal with the New Orleans Saints. There also are some guys that probably will be cut or have their contracts restructured before the start of the year. Tampa Bay defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is a perfect example of that.

He’s scheduled to count $7.2 million. The Bucs can release him without any salary-cap hit. It’s a similar situation for Carolina linebacker Thomas Davis, who is scheduled to count $5.9 million. Davis is coming off his third torn ACL in two years and is due a big bonus in March. I seriously doubt he’ll get to collect that bonus.

Anyway, as it stands right now, Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan is the easy winner for the NFC South’s highest cap figure. He’s scheduled to count $13.5 million toward the cap ($11.5 million in base salary and another $2 million in prorated bonus money). Aside from Ryan, 30 other NFC South players are scheduled to count more than $5 million toward the salary cap. Let’s take a look:

•Jordan Gross, Panthers, $11.5 million

•Charles Johnson, Panthers, $11 million

•Steve Smith, Panthers, $10.7 million

•Will Smith, Saints, $10.15 million

•Chris Gamble, Panthers, $9.75 million

•Davin Joseph, Buccaneers, $9.5 million

•Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers, $9.44 million

•DeAngelo Williams, Panthers, $8.7 million

•Josh Freeman, Buccaneers, $8.545 million

•Roddy White, Falcons, $8.03 million

•Jonathan Vilma, Saints, $7.63 million

•Travelle Wharton, Panthers, $7.6 million

•Sedrick Ellis, Saints, $7.6 million

•Albert Haynesworth, Buccaneers, $7.2 million

•Dunta Robinson, Falcons, $7 million

•Jermon Bushrod, Saints, $6.9 million

•Donald Penn, Buccaneers, $6.43 million

•Roman Harper, Saints, $6.35 million

•Jabari Greer, Saints, $6.25 million

•Jeff Faine, Buccaneers, $5.925 million

•Tony Gonzalez, Falcons, $5.92 million

•Thomas Davis, Panthers, $5.9 million

•Quincy Black, Buccaneers, $5.75 million

•Jon Beason, Panthers, $5.5 million

•Ryan Kalil, Panthers, $5.35 million

•Justin Blalock, Falcons, $5.3 million

•Jeremy Trueblood, Buccaneers, $5.25 million

•Jahri Evans, Saints, $5.2 million

•Cam Newton $5.01 million

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/2012-salary-cap-figures

[panther4life]

Another thing we could do to really fug gross if we wanted to is to cut him after june 1st when all the big money is already spent. It wont help us get under the cap before free agency starts but it would allow us to ration out his signing bonus over the next 2 years.

If Wharton were to be cut,its unlikely we would do it before june 1st. If we cut him now its would only equate to an immediate savings of 3.7 million, vs a savings of 5.7 million against this years cap if we did it after june 1st.

Just to clarify these examples and why you about june 1st cuts every year:

If a player is cut before June 1st, their remaing unpaid guranteed money "signing bonus" counts immediately against the cap. If cut after June 1st then they can spread the hit over the next 2 years instead.

[MadHatter]

I think the website used by the OP is incorrect on TD's Cap number. The entire $8M Roster Bonus DOES NOT count against the current year. It is guaranteed money that is prorated over the remainder of his contract. Only a portion will count against 2012....thus the big difference in our numbers.

[MadHatter]

Another thing we could do to really fug gross if we wanted to is to cut him after june 1st when all the big money is already spent. It wont help us get under the cap before free agency starts but it would allow us to ration out his signing bonus over the next 2 years.

If Wharton were to be cut,its unlikely we would do it before june 1st. If we cut him now its would only equate to an immediate savings of 3.7 million, vs a savings of 5.7 million against this years cap if we did it after june 1st.

Just to clarify these examples and why you about june 1st cuts every year:

If a player is cut before June 1st, their remaing unpaid guranteed money "signing bonus" counts immediately against the cap. If cut after June 1st then they can spread the hit over the next 2 years instead.

Anyone who thinks there is even a chance that we cut Gross is insane.

[panther4life]

Here you go:

Time to take a look at the NFC South players that are scheduled to have the highest 2012 salary-cap figures.

Let’s be clear, these numbers are not what the players will actually make in 2012. These numbers simply reflect what they’ll count against the salary cap. And let’s also be clear that this list isn’t quite complete. You can bet Drew Brees will be on here once the quarterback signs a new deal with the New Orleans Saints. There also are some guys that probably will be cut or have their contracts restructured before the start of the year. Tampa Bay defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is a perfect example of that.

He’s scheduled to count $7.2 million. The Bucs can release him without any salary-cap hit. It’s a similar situation for Carolina linebacker Thomas Davis, who is scheduled to count $5.9 million. Davis is coming off his third torn ACL in two years and is due a big bonus in March. I seriously doubt he’ll get to collect that bonus.

Anyway, as it stands right now, Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan is the easy winner for the NFC South’s highest cap figure. He’s scheduled to count $13.5 million toward the cap ($11.5 million in base salary and another $2 million in prorated bonus money). Aside from Ryan, 30 other NFC South players are scheduled to count more than $5 million toward the salary cap. Let’s take a look:

•Jordan Gross, Panthers, $11.5 million

•Charles Johnson, Panthers, $11 million

•Steve Smith, Panthers, $10.7 million

•Will Smith, Saints, $10.15 million

•Chris Gamble, Panthers, $9.75 million

•Davin Joseph, Buccaneers, $9.5 million

•Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers, $9.44 million

•DeAngelo Williams, Panthers, $8.7 million

•Josh Freeman, Buccaneers, $8.545 million

•Roddy White, Falcons, $8.03 million

•Jonathan Vilma, Saints, $7.63 million

•Travelle Wharton, Panthers, $7.6 million

•Sedrick Ellis, Saints, $7.6 million

•Albert Haynesworth, Buccaneers, $7.2 million

•Dunta Robinson, Falcons, $7 million

•Jermon Bushrod, Saints, $6.9 million

•Donald Penn, Buccaneers, $6.43 million

•Roman Harper, Saints, $6.35 million

•Jabari Greer, Saints, $6.25 million

•Jeff Faine, Buccaneers, $5.925 million

•Tony Gonzalez, Falcons, $5.92 million

•Thomas Davis, Panthers, $5.9 million

•Quincy Black, Buccaneers, $5.75 million

•Jon Beason, Panthers, $5.5 million

•Ryan Kalil, Panthers, $5.35 million

•Justin Blalock, Falcons, $5.3 million

•Jeremy Trueblood, Buccaneers, $5.25 million

•Jahri Evans, Saints, $5.2 million

•Cam Newton $5.01 million

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/2012-salary-cap-figures

Odd, the site I used said he will count 5.9 against the cap in 2013. The option bonus alone that he is referring to is is 8.25 million, so what he's saying does not add up.

Anyway only Gamble's cap figure is thought to be the same on the site I used and what Yasinskas says but nobody elses is.

[panther4life]

Anyone who thinks there is even a chance that we cut Gross is insane.

please dont misinterpret what I was saying. I was only using Gross an example to prove a point to the guy who thinks theres no incentive for any of the players to restrcuture. I would never suggest we cut Gross.