alshon jeffery = mike williams?

[rayzor]

worth mentioning...

@Panthers: South Carolina WR Alshon Jeffery said he's the lightest he's been since high school.

he played at 235 last year. he's 216 right now and that's the lightest he's been since high school.

what do you think he's more likely going to be in the pros? closer to 216 or 235?

[Cat'sGrowl]

What proof do you have he was 235?

[mav1234]

What proof do you have he was 235?

true, ESPN only lists him at 229... but I wouldn't put much stock in him staying at 215. imo that doesn't mean he will not be a good receiver but it does seem he'd make a better tight end.

[rayzor]

What proof do you have he was 235?

229...230...whatever.

point is, do you see this being a maintainable weight for him?

i honestly don't. i also don't think it matters a whole lot. just discussion.

[guffeyp]

With him weighing in at 216, he has to run fast. That's not really possession receiver weight.

[Montsta]

To me it shows more than anything that he does give a damn about his future and does want to perform well and thus made weight for the combine. It may or may not last, but if he showed up fat it's the same as showing up for an interview in a wrinkled white t-shirt, basically showing you couldn't care less about the job.

If he really did weigh in the 229lb. range and got down to 215, it at least shows some degree of effort and enthusiasm, which could translate to being able to be coached up at the NFL level.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's something to at least think about.

[mav1234]

I'm glad he's working out and getting in shape, but I wouldn't put a check mark next to work ethic because he lost 20 lbs before the combine or whatever. Not to say he "fails" or I wouldn't draft him, but losing that weight doesn't make me want to draft him more.

On the other hand, if he had showed up at 235 and ran a 4.8 Im pretty sure he wouldn't even have been drafted in the first 4 rounds :P

[Fan01]

There seem to be a lot of "buts" when talking about Jeffery. But he's too fat, but if you took out that one long pass play where he punked a projected 1st round CB. But he's too slow and can't get separation. See him beating Dre Kirpatrick last year constantly.

Somebody posts a pic of him looking fat on the internet and suddenly what he did in the SEC on the field gets overlooked and butted to death.

I'm not saying we grab him with the 9th pick but it the Panters do their homework and think he's worth the spot I'm on board with it. Say what you want about Hurney but he's been pretty solid when it comes to 1st round picks.

I don't buy into this "but a player isn't worth the 9th pick, I'll feel better at getting him at 15." That's crazy talk. If the team ranks him as being the BPA at 9 then that's what their board says. Just because Mel Kiper had him at 32 doesn't mean sh#t.

[mav1234]

well yes, if our GM took him I'd get behind him, but nothing I see about him, or the needs we have, suggests we'll be taking him in the first round, be it at 9 or 15 (and I agree that the idea of trading down six spots to take him is retarded, if you like him enough at 15 you should at 9 too).

anyway, it's not "he's fat" that has me skeptical (though some of that stuff made me wonder about his work ethic), it's that his production nose dived this year, he is much shorter than originally reported, and while he has great hands, he is not notoriously fast, so I don't think he is a good pick for us considering our current needs.

[Carfball]

Being a die hard gamecock fan i think he would be a nice 3rd pick for us if he's there he has the potential to become a very good receiver i'm fine with who ever we pick if their good and can play at the best of the best i'm cool with it.

[o803oVaDeR]

well yes, if our GM took him I'd get behind him, but nothing I see about him, or the needs we have, suggests we'll be taking him in the first round, be it at 9 or 15 (and I agree that the idea of trading down six spots to take him is retarded, if you like him enough at 15 you should at 9 too).

anyway, it's not "he's fat" that has me skeptical (though some of that stuff made me wonder about his work ethic), it's that his production nose dived this year, he is much shorter than originally reported, and while he has great hands, he is not notoriously fast, so I don't think he is a good pick for us considering our current needs.

Steve Smith's production took a nose dive 2 years ago. Was that Smith's fault or sorry QB play. Jeffery had a very difficult situation this season with his QB. His starting QB this season is an alcoholic, and played terrible. He was eventually kicked off the team. Shaw, the current QB, is not tall enough to see over the line, and scrambles a lot. I would not spend the 9th pick on him, but if he is still there when we pick in the 2nd I would consider taking him. I dont expect us to take him though. We have a lot of more pressing needs than WR.

[GamecockSmitty4]

He came in "way shorter" than originally reported? I have never seen any report listing him over 6-4. Every credible report I have ever seen put him in the 6'3-6'4 range.

[mav1234]

Steve Smith's production took a nose dive 2 years ago. Was that Smith's fault or sorry QB play. Jeffery had a very difficult situation this season with his QB. His starting QB this season is an alcoholic, and played terrible. He was eventually kicked off the team. Shaw, the current QB, is not tall enough to see over the line, and scrambles a lot. I would not spend the 9th pick on him, but if he is still there when we pick in the 2nd I would consider taking him. I dont expect us to take him though. We have a lot of more pressing needs than WR.

Obviously QB play factors in there, but dominant college WRs make even bad QBs look decent. Jeffery did virtually disappear in many games it seemed, but admittedly I am not a major SEC fan so that may just have been my limited perception.

Either way, his production wasn't even the biggest issue. The point is that all of that adds up to a guy who isn't someone you're dying to have still be on the board at 9, and given our situation at WR, I don't see why we take him given that fact.

He came in "way shorter" than originally reported? I have never seen any report listing him over 6-4. Every credible report I have ever seen put him in the 6'3-6'4 range.

An inch is quite a bit for a receiver, and everything I've seen has pegged him at 6'4", so coming in under 6'3" is quite a bit shorter imo.

[GamecockSmitty4]

Obviously QB play factors in there, but dominant college WRs make even bad QBs look decent. Jeffery did virtually disappear in many games it seemed, but admittedly I am not a major SEC fan so that may just have been my limited perception.

Either way, his production wasn't even the biggest issue. The point is that all of that adds up to a guy who isn't someone you're dying to have still be on the board at 9, and given our situation at WR, I don't see why we take him given that fact.

An inch is quite a bit for a receiver, and everything I've seen has pegged him at 6'4", so coming in under 6'3" is quite a bit shorter imo.

He also has the longest arms of all the receivers in the draft.