Jason Peters plus or Jeff Otah?

[Snake]

It's not by far the most pressing need, however I agree it is something to look into later in the draft since, well, Hoov is 32 himself, and he was a great help to the running game with his lead blocking. ...we could use a fresh option to do the same thing for years to come.

but then again the coaching staff/Front office's MO is playing guys until they obviously can't play anymore so it will take Hoover either getting driven into the backfield, the defender reaching the RB before he can engage the defender, or just simply falling flat on his face nearly every single play before John Fox realizes we could use a new Fullback.

Really just hoping for the down fall of Fox right? I mean we told Rucker sorry no thanks and same goes for Al Wallace. Ken Lucas? Bye bye oh and he didnt have a prob pulling Pete ether when his time was def up. So really the fox dose not replace the old guys bash is old and dose not work.

[mountainpantherfan]

He is going to start this year. Thing is yes Hoover has been good but he is going to retire in teh next few years. Picking up a FB to groom under Hoover would have been great instead we will most likely be scrambkung to find his replacement.

I disagree. IMO the two most impressive FB in the NFL over the past 10 to 15 seasons were Strong in SEA and McNeil in SD. Both of these guys played/is playing into their late 30's and both hit their stride playing the game around the same age as Hoover was last year. Hoover had his best season of his career last year and IMO gets over looked for his role in the success of the running game. While his production won't last for 10 more years I think he will get one more extension to his contract before he retires or is at the point that he needs to be replaced.

Now to make the point that the Panthers should have drafted Hester or Schmitt to replace Goings, the HB/FB backup role, I would jump on that bandwagon in a hurry.

[frash.exe]

Really just hoping for the down fall of Fox right? I mean we told Rucker sorry no thanks and same goes for Al Wallace. Ken Lucas? Bye bye oh and he didnt have a prob pulling Pete ether when his time was def up. So really the fox dose not replace the old guys bash is old and dose not work.

lol

Jeff Mitchell (was nothing but meh in '04 and '05, then he retired)

Mike Rucker (tears his ACL late in the '06 season, Fox keeps his starting DE position open for him to walk right back into it in '07)

Mike Minter (retired by his own accord in training camp '07 because his body couldn't hold up anymore)

Stephen Davis (basically run into the ground to the point of ineffectiveness)

Ricky Proehl (was actually talked out of retirement by John Fox when he played his last year with us)

Kris Mangum (stalwart largely ineffective receiver, decent blocker, but the team had no motivation to upgrade TE)

Other guys kept waayyyy too long who couldn't contribute due to a reason other than age (i.e. injury, plain ineffectiveness, lack of talent, etc)

Keary Colbert

DeShaun Foster

Dan Morgan

Evan Mathis

...and off the top of my head I can think of about 3 or 4 people on the current roster who could conceivably be considered as such in the near future.

oh please do tell where the administration told Rucker "sorry no thanks" and if not you can kindly admit you don't have a clue what you were talking about just now and that was just a shallow observation on your part. Secondly, they cut Al Wallace because they were so committed to Rucker and at the time he was less than 3 months removed from an ACL tear and many people here were pissed we pulled that poo considering all the question marks surrounding Rucker. And Rodney Peete was pulled before Carolina established himself and at the time Fox's coaching tenure was in it's infancy and he was relatively new so that one does not apply. What kind of loyalty could he have to a QB who played with him for one damn year and wasn't very good to begin with?

nevermind, I'll show you what made him retire.

linky

"I'm done," Rucker said, his voice cracking. "I have to let it go."

To the 33-year-old Rucker, it was simple, yet hard to accept: His body wasn't going to let him chase down quarterbacks and butt heads with 300-pound offensive linemen anymore.

"I just want you to know that I gave you everything I got," Rucker told Fox. "The tank is empty. It's empty."

...then go ahead and look up Minter's retirement speech which gave just about the same message as Rucker's. Of course we hesitated to re-sign him but that was because the jury was out on his retirement as far as he was concerned at the time. You don't just sign a player who's openly unsure if he's going to play or not the next year. But if he wanted to he could've easily coaxed Fox and the organization into giving him one more run.

I'm not rooting for the perceived "downfall" of John Fox as I'm just pointing out some of the idiotic tendencies he has which seem to fail him in the long run every single time. Get a grip.

[Udogg]

I disagree. IMO the two most impressive FB in the NFL over the past 10 to 15 seasons were Strong in SEA and McNeil in SD. Both of these guys played/is playing into their late 30's and both hit their stride playing the game around the same age as Hoover was last year. Hoover had his best season of his career last year and IMO gets over looked for his role in the success of the running game. While his production won't last for 10 more years I think he will get one more extension to his contract before he retires or is at the point that he needs to be replaced.

Now to make the point that the Panthers should have drafted Hester or Schmitt to replace Goings, the HB/FB backup role, I would jump on that bandwagon in a hurry.

Wish we would have signed Evans instead of the aints.

[mantal]

What we have to remember is that the Panthers surgeon did the surgury on Stewart's toe, so we knew what shape he was in while nobody else did. We drafted him at 13, we knew what his toe was like and it worked out fine...

win, win...

[Delhommey]

Now to make the point that the Panthers should have drafted Hester or Schmitt to replace Goings, the HB/FB backup role, I would jump on that bandwagon in a hurry.

Hester? Burning an early 2nd for a Fullback?

Has the whole world gone mad?

[Snake]

Hester? Burning an early 2nd for a Fullback?

Has the whole world gone mad?

I have yet to get why there is so much raw hate out there but as of now Fox and Co have not done anything right to this point and a backup FB would have been a better pick then a starting RT.

[monstercat]

When you consider that Stewart missed so much of the OTA's and TC, and that he got fewer carries than most of the other rookie RB's last year, you can't ask for more than what he did. And he is already farther ahead than D-Will was at the same point in his career, as far as learning the pass pro concepts.

It's kind of the same thing for Otah, he also missed a lot of the OTA's and his ankle was probably not 100% when he went through TC. So I expect both of those guys to only get better this year.

Without those guys, there is no way in hell the Panthers would have gone 12-4 last year, so I don't see how anybody can complain.

[bleys]

I have yet to get why there is so much raw hate out there but as of now Fox and Co have not done anything right to this point and a backup FB would have been a better pick then a starting RT.

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[Porn Shop Clerk]

I thought this thread was about the pillhead that used to play for the Panthers.