Jason Peters plus or Jeff Otah?

[thefuzz]

just to take issue with this, I would be absolutely shocked if DeAngelo ever left via anything other than a trade.

I mean the guy doesn't care about money at all. When I say he doesn't understand it, I don't mean to say that he's stupid, but that he's incredibly intelligent and just doesn't give a poo about it.

i mean i hate to intellectualize up this message board but he's a fully self actualized person

What gives you this idea?

[Fiz]

What gives you this idea?

ive spoken with him numerous times, at professional functions and clubs, plus we niggas on xbox live

[rayzor]

Peters didn't deserve to be a "ProBowl" LT last year....guy was getting beat by everyone. Hell Ike Turner would have beat him.

absolutely true.

peters was the worse LT in the league last allowing 11.5 sacks. there was one other guy who tied him for most allowed but did peters played 2 games less.

peters was good his first couple years but has put on a ton of weight and got slow so he gets beat by everyone off the edge. prior to 2007 he had only allowed i think 3.5 sacks but then allowed 6 in '07 and 11.5 last year.

he was worse than anyone on the lions.

the dude is on a downward spiral, meanwhile otah is raw and learning.

i am quite happy with our trade. eagles gave up too much for peters.

[AKPantherFan]

not really

i mean yeah he's a bulldozer out there and I love him and compared to what philly got I don't regret the trade one bit because 2008 was an immensely entertaining year.

however i would contend from watching tape, and I don't have any numbers to back this up so I apologize, that the rapid maturation of kalil, the emergence of wharton as an elite guard and the synergy of the left side of the line had a lot more to do with it than anything.

You DO realize that our right side of the line produced some of if not most of the biggest plays.

Our right side was dominate.

I will have to find to stats on it.

[Snake]

not really

i mean yeah he's a bulldozer out there and I love him and compared to what philly got I don't regret the trade one bit because 2008 was an immensely entertaining year.

however i would contend from watching tape, and I don't have any numbers to back this up so I apologize, that the rapid maturation of kalil, the emergence of wharton as an elite guard and the synergy of the left side of the line had a lot more to do with it than anything.

When Otah was out last year it was clearly a drop off on the right side. He was def worth it last year and I would not say he has peaked by no means.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

The draft day trade between the Eagles and Panthers has essentially played itself out now with the Eagles trading that 29th pick and a 4th to the Bills in exchange for Jason Peters.

So the Panthers got Jeff Otah, and have enjoyed his services for one year.

The Eagles got Jason Peters, arguably one of the best LT in the league but had to pay him Jordan Gross money.

With the Panthers 2nd last year they traded down and got DT Trevor Laws and FS Quintin Demps. With the Panthers 4th they got G Mike McGlynn and have enjoyed their services for one year..

So, Panthers Jeff Otah.

Eagles got Jason Peters, Trevor Laws, Quintin Demps, Mike McGlynn, less a 4th round pick this year.

Happy with what we got versus the Eagles?

We'll find out who got the better end of the deal September 13th.

[SorthNarolina]

not really

i mean yeah he's a bulldozer out there and I love him and compared to what philly got I don't regret the trade one bit because 2008 was an immensely entertaining year.

however i would contend from watching tape, and I don't have any numbers to back this up so I apologize, that the rapid maturation of kalil, the emergence of wharton as an elite guard and the synergy of the left side of the line had a lot more to do with it than anything.

but who allowed that to happen? otah. He was the last piece we needed, the missing link.

with out otah we'd have gross would go back to RT, wharton goes back to LT, it all unravels again

it's not his talent that made the line elite, but the stability he brought to it by playing RT.

[vorbis]

i choose otah

[SorthNarolina]

now in hindsight, the trade was completely unnecessary.

if we'd simply taken Otah when he had (or traded down to get him) and then taken Forte in the second, we'd have just the same talent production wise (i like stewart more than forte as a player but they put up comparable numbers) with the draft picks back.

i think stewart is a better fit for the team and he has more potential than forte

and while their number were comparable, this is with stewart having 132 less carries, but with more TDs and a higher YPC. And forte had 70% more carries but only got 40% more yards than stewart.

not to mention their highlight reels, it really shows who's the most talented

forte is a solid starter and your correct that they had comparable seasons, but i think stewart overall is a lot better for the franchise

[rayzor]

hindsight is for people who can't think forward.

[Woodie]

The trade did exactly what we needed it to do, it helped us rebuild our offensive line into a dominant unit. If we had not made that trade, there is nobody we could have gotten, or would be able to get, that fits what we want to do better than Otah.

And as for what Philly did with those picks, great for them. They got some solid players and quality depth, but nobody that is or will be close to Otah's level. That's not a knock on those players, just pointing out that Otah has shown the signs that he will be a special player in this league.

As for them using the #28 pick to get Peters, well, others have already stated what I think about it. He should be ok, but he is greatly overrated and has regressed the last couple of years. At this point, I would take Otah every time. The bottom line is that the trade worked out for both teams.

Oh, one other thing, we also have to take into consideration the contract the Eagles had to give Peters when evaluating this deal. The package of draft picks they gave up to get Peters is similar to the one we gave them to move up. The big difference is that they only gave up a late round pick next year instead of a 2nd like us, but when you factor in them making Peters one of, if not the highest paid OL in the league, then I think the scale begins to tip our way a bit. But again, they got what they wanted, and we got what we wanted, so all is good.

[mantal]

hindsight is for people who can't think forward.

In few words, that sums it up quite nicely...

[Fiz]

You DO realize that our right side of the line produced some of if not most of the biggest plays.

Our right side was dominate.

I will have to find to stats on it.

no akpantherfan i had no idea the right side was "dominate" even though I specifically stated that Otah was a bulldozer in the post you quoted jesus christ don't respond to me you illiterate sped

When Otah was out last year it was clearly a drop off on the right side. He was def worth it last year and I would not say he has peaked by no means.

yes there was but that doesn't address my contention at all

but who allowed that to happen? otah. He was the last piece we needed, the missing link.

with out otah we'd have gross would go back to RT, wharton goes back to LT, it all unravels again

it's not his talent that made the line elite, but the stability he brought to it by playing RT.

i would agree with everything you say, however it doesn't challenge my contention at all!

i think stewart is a better fit for the team and he has more potential than forte

i would agree he has more potential, but i think whether or not he has is a "better fit" is immaterial. A good fit is a good running back, not a specific kind of running back. That's just a media myth.

hindsight is for people who can't think forward.

sweet got any more uninteresting tautologies from motivational posters hanging in your cubicle?

[mantal]

Let's just say you got broadsided and bested and move on...