Thoughts about Melvin Ingram

[DaCityKats]

Heh, I wouldn't say for EVERY Everette Brown here's a Robert Mathis. The guys that don't work out at DE because they were too undersized vastly outnumber the guys who do well. There's really only two really good DEs that are below 270 (that I can think of, anyway) and they're both in Indianapolis (for now, anyway).

There are plenty of DEs that are below 270 that are successful.

[JawnyBlaze]

There are plenty of DEs that are below 270 that are successful.

Well I can't think of any. Who are you talking about?

[DaCityKats]

Well I can't think of any. Who are you talking about?

Osi, Tuck, Abraham, Ray Edwards, Babin, Dumervil, Avril are just a few.

[DaCityKats]

Mark Anderson and Andre Carter are decent 4-3 ends as well.

[I am Hubby]

Size does not mean a whole lot as it pertains to DEs. Talent, skills, and drive are key ingredients for a productive DE. Unfortunately, it is damm near impossible to measure those aspects. You have to go off of feel, intuition, as well as instincts. It is an inexact science, which is why no one gets it right all of the time.

Somehow, some way, we have to upgrade the talent on this team. Especially the D. Playmakers, players that can get turnovers, someone opposing offenses have to game plan against. That is the type of players we need to add to our D.

Then again, if we add talented players. I really do not care what position they play.

[JawnyBlaze]

Osi, Tuck, Abraham, Ray Edwards, Babin, Dumervil, Avril are just a few.

Tuck is listed at 268 on NFL.com and in the 270s other places, either way he's really close and he's 6'5 which helps. Osi is one I hadn't thought of, have to give you that one. Ray Edwards isn't really good, he's rather overrated. Abraham is one I have to give you. Babin is listed at 267 so he's close enough to be debatable, but have to give you that one too. Dumervil wasn't effective at all as a 4-3 end. He was successful as a 3-4 OLB. Avril's had a couple good years. So yea, you listed a few I hadn't thought of, but it's still quite rare for a DE to be under 270 and effective (Mathis, Abraham, Osi, Babin, Avril and Tuck depending on which number is accurate). Freeney isn't as undersized as I thought he was. While looking up the numbers I've seen him listed at 268 and 270.

[JawnyBlaze]

Oh, and Andre Carter was quite good as a 4-3 end, definitely have to give you that one too.

[Kuech the Sneak]

Tuck is listed at 268 on NFL.com and in the 270s other places, either way he's really close and he's 6'5 which helps. Osi is one I hadn't thought of, have to give you that one. Ray Edwards isn't really good, he's rather overrated. Abraham is one I have to give you. Babin is listed at 267 so he's close enough to be debatable, but have to give you that one too. Dumervil wasn't effective at all as a 4-3 end. He was successful as a 3-4 OLB. Avril's had a couple good years. So yea, you listed a few I hadn't thought of, but it's still quite rare for a DE to be under 270 and effective (Mathis, Abraham, Osi, Babin, Avril and Tuck depending on which number is accurate). Freeney isn't as undersized as I thought he was. While looking up the numbers I've seen him listed at 268 and 270.

I think dumervil has been pretty successful as a 4-3 end

[ChinaPanther]

He'll be a better 3-4 OLB than he will be a 4-3 DE. If Rivera plans to strictly run a 4-3, we won't draft him, If he plans to mix it up a little, It's a possibility. Calling it right now, We'll trade back and pick up a 3rd rounder and draft him.

[Ken]

I like but unless we trade down, he's not going to be a Panther.

[DaCityKats]

Tuck is listed at 268 on NFL.com and in the 270s other places, either way he's really close and he's 6'5 which helps. Osi is one I hadn't thought of, have to give you that one. Ray Edwards isn't really good, he's rather overrated. Abraham is one I have to give you. Babin is listed at 267 so he's close enough to be debatable, but have to give you that one too. Dumervil wasn't effective at all as a 4-3 end. He was successful as a 3-4 OLB. Avril's had a couple good years. So yea, you listed a few I hadn't thought of, but it's still quite rare for a DE to be under 270 and effective (Mathis, Abraham, Osi, Babin, Avril and Tuck depending on which number is accurate). Freeney isn't as undersized as I thought he was. While looking up the numbers I've seen him listed at 268 and 270.

Edwards was decent while in Minny, but who wouldnt be. Dumervil was a very effective DE in a 4-3 getting 26 sacks in 3 years before switching to a 3-4. than this past year he had 9.5. Browns rookie Jabaal Sherad had a nice year with 9 sacks and he plays LDE at 255. if you play with good technique, and play with a nasty side and be physical(why Everette Brown was cut) you can be an effective DE under 270.

[DaCityKats]

and Curry and Mercilus are listed at 265 before the process, they will bulk up after they get with a NFL team.might have bulked up already.

[PantherPhann89]

Maybe if he's available in the 4th since we don't have a 3rd.

[L-TownCat]

Ingram wears the number 6 because his nickname in highschool was quick 6. He played every position on offense and defense he is an absolute student of the game and he plays through the whistle. I understand the comparisons to norwood and brown but this kid is scary good.