thoughts on draft strategy and depth of talent at positions

[unicar15]

Drafting offense first this year would be beyond stupid. What is so hard to understand about the fact that we lost games this year because of the defense? We had a top 5 ranked offense and we return everyone. We had a defense that gave up 25+ points per game and we have TWO legitimate starters on the DL and thats it. We only have two proven linebackers and a guy coming back from double ACL tears. Getting an offensive tackle isn't going to make us a playoff team next year. Getting a few guys who can pressure the passer WILL make us a playoff team.

If we were drafting in the late 20s then yeah I could see taking a talented OG. But we're probably going to have our pick of either defensive end or cornerback at #8. Why the hell would we take an offensive guard??

[rayzor]

You said that you have to go into the draft with a strategy, I said BPA IS a strategy. Sorry for the confusion. I'm just saying you don't need to approach the draft in the way you do for it to be a strategy.

Look, here's where I disagree with you fundamentally, I don't think you should aim for patching up all your holes through the draft. In a perfect world that would work, but realistically, that's just not going to happen. Teams like KC have had great draft grades every year because they tried your approach but 3 years later they look back and none of their guys are any good. They've outsmarted themselves; they got too cute. I can see that neither of us are ultimately not going to budge on this issue, so let's just agree to disagree.

you aren't disagreeing with me there because i never said that.

[nagai]

you aren't disagreeing with me there because i never said that.

Maybe not exactly, but you're advocating a strategy that tries to cover multiple positions in multiple rounds, which I disagree with. I believe you should focus pick by pick.

[rayzor]

Maybe not exactly, but you're advocating a strategy that tries to cover multiple positions in multiple rounds, which I disagree with. I believe you should focus pick by pick.

if you can pull it off, why wouldn't you?

focus on one pick at a time is just too limiting and lacks vision. look at what the board offers up and what your intel on the other teams shows they are likely to do and if you see that it's something that is feasible then make a go of it. if it doesn't look like you can pull it off then don't.

i don't like going into the draft with blinders on or anything that might limit chances of having a successful overall draft.

i can guarantee you that neither the panthers or any other team will go in there and look at it like that...not with that singular of a focus or without alternate strategies. you can't run a successful organization without looking at alternate strategies and taking advantage of them if an opportunity presents itself.

[nagai]

if you can pull it off, why wouldn't you?

focus on one pick at a time is just too limiting and lacks vision. look at what the board offers up and what your intel on the other teams shows they are likely to do and if you see that it's something that is feasible then make a go of it. if it doesn't look like you can pull it off then don't.

i don't like going into the draft with blinders on or anything that might limit chances of having a successful overall draft.

i can guarantee you that neither the panthers or any other team will go in there and look at it like that...not with that singular of a focus or without alternate strategies. you can't run a successful organization without looking at alternate strategies.

lol The point is that your intel will never be half as good as you think it is, which is what I've been trying to tell you all along. The draft is messy, it is EXTREMELY difficult to predict with any sort of accuracy required. What you don't seem to understand is that a BPA strategy is limiting, it's the most flexible thing there is. It allows you to just make calls based on your rankings on draft day without any preconcieved notions of what you think might happen. It still allows for adjustments.

Who said anything about not having alternate strategies? If a rockstar pick drops you can still make a move for him and get that guy with a BPA strategy. You can still talk amongst your staff, asking questions like 'should we trade up if this happens?'. The difference is that my strategy allows for flexibility and accommodates for the randomness that happens on draft day whereas you seem to want to make those plans before the board even plays out. My strategy says that you are always in a decent position during the draft no matter what happens because you've planned for the worse whereas yours is completely dependent on events that have not yet happened.

I'm starting to wonder if you even understand what I'm saying.

Tl;dr version: You should focus on each pick individually because you can make the best decision based on things that have already happened. You don't want to make a move now based on something that may happen later because of the unpredictable nature of the draft.

[rayzor]

going around in circles and i don't think you actually disagree with me all that much.

i'm moving on. conversation has gotten boring.