Pat White in the second round for Panthers?

[King Taharqa]

But but but, he's black!...

Written specifically to mess with KT...

When Jake goes down and misses multiple games this season due to injury you wont be laughing then. You'll be wishing we had that black QB! :ihih:

[mantal]

When Jake goes down and misses multiple games this season due to injury you wont be laughing then. You'll be wishing we had that black QB! :ihih:

Oh, you know I was just playing with you. I really have no opinion on Pat White one way or another. If we pick him up, fine. As long as we address the defensive line and OL depth, I'm a happy camper...

[X-Clown]

Thats funny, Vince Young and Tennessee whooped our ass last time we played them. I know because I was at the game in Nashville.

Well if you were at the game, you would know we were playing with the immortal QB David Carr at the helm...and that Vince's awesome quarterback play was 14 for 23, 110 yards, no TDs, 2 INTs for a rating of 36.5. Yeah, HE really whooped our ass.

The truth is we're not going anywhere with the defensive play down the stretch last year, even if it's Jake, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Doug Williams, Vince Young, Pat White, Joe Flacco, John Elway, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning at quarterback.

He's been to just as many pro bowls as our QB and Vick has been to more. The only thing Jake Delhomme has ever done that those two havent is lose a Super Bowl.

So Mike Vick is an awesome quarterback who would be an upgrade over our current quarterback because he made it to an NFC Championship game once, but Jake is a failure because he lost a super bowl and made another NFC Championshp. Ditto for Vince Young who has never won a playoff game. That makes a lot sense.

[King Taharqa]

Well if you were at the game, you would know we were playing with the immortal QB David Carr at the helm...and that Vince's awesome quarterback play was 14 for 23, 110 yards, no TDs, 2 INTs for a rating of 36.5. Yeah, HE really whooped our ass.

You mean #1 draft pick David Carr? That QB who held the ball too long in the pocket all the time cuz he was taught thats what real QBs do? The guy we gave all that money too who's the backup in NY now getting paid again nicely. Yeah I remember him. As for Vince he won the game didnt he? I dont see you in here discounting Jake's wins this past year in Oakland, against Tampa, against Chicago, against Detroit because he put up shitty to mediocre performances.

The truth is we're not going anywhere with the defensive play down the stretch last year, even if it's Jake, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Doug Williams, Vince Young, Pat White, Joe Flacco, John Elway, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning at quarterback.

The truth is we asked our QB to do less than any other QB last year and he still let us down when it mattered most. All of the tools that surrounded him offensively he should've produced more than he did. Now we can hope and pray he's gonna become Elway in 09, but I'd rather we draft a QB that not only competes with him but upgrades our entire QB unit. The QB is the most important position on the football field. Lets repeat that again for everybody. The QB is the most important position on the football field.

So Mike Vick is an awesome quarterback who would be an upgrade over our current talent because he made it to an NFC Championship game once, but Jake is a failure because he lost a super bowl and made another NFC Championshp. That makes a lot sense.

I dont think Mike Vick is an awesome quarterback, but I dont think Jake Delhomme is an awesome quarterback either. I never called Jake a failure, he's done alot for the Panthers franchise. I'm sure he's probably a real nice guy. But right now he's not a very good QB and he's only getting older. This franchise keeps stabbing itself with a fork over and over holding onto players too long. The Panthers have never had a mobile QB and more often times than not lose to em so I dont know why they're fanbase is so adamantly sure you cant win with one. I think Pantherland is scared you can win with a different QB at the helm. Change is a scary thing.

[Fox007]

The truth is we're not going anywhere with the defensive play down the stretch last year, even if it's Jake, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Doug Williams, Vince Young, Pat White, Joe Flacco, John Elway, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning at quarterback.

The truth is we're not going anywhere if our QB throws 4/5 interceptions in important games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/08/chff/

So Mike Vick is an awesome quarterback who would be an upgrade over our current quarterback because he made it to an NFC Championship game once, but Jake is a failure because he lost a super bowl and made another NFC Championshp. Ditto for Vince Young who has never won a playoff game. That makes a lot sense.

All three of those QB's suck, but that doesn't mean you can automatically place White in the Young or Vick category without him actually doing anything yet.

He's not supposed to start right away.

Then again Jake sat behind a HOF QB, and still managed to not learn how to read defenses or throw the ball out of bounds on a broken play.

[jramsey4]

All three of those QB's suck, but that doesn't mean you can automatically place White in the Young or Vick category without him actually doing anything yet.

He's not supposed to start right away.

Then again Jake sat behind a HOF QB, and still managed to not learn how to read defenses or throw the ball out of bounds on a broken play.

Not to mention both Vick and Young both had character flaws coming out of college. But all I have heard from people who know White is glowing reviews. The fact of the matter is if Pat White was 2" or 3" taller he would be a 1st rounder easy (maybe even #1 overall). I would be jumping for joy if we were to get him but just like I was disappointing when we didn't get Josh Johnson last year or Troy Smith the year before, I will be disappointed this year with someone else picking this future star (you can quote me on that). He might not be what traditionally defines a QB but he might just bring a whole new offense into the NFL. One where it utilizes all his many gifts.

[Zaximus]

Not to mention both Vick and Young both had character flaws coming out of college. But all I have heard from people who know White is glowing reviews. The fact of the matter is if Pat White was 2" or 3" taller he would be a 1st rounder easy (maybe even #1 overall). I would be jumping for joy if we were to get him but just like I was disappointing when we didn't get Josh Johnson last year or Troy Smith the year before, I will be disappointed this year with someone else picking this future star (you can quote me on that). He might not be what traditionally defines a QB but he might just bring a whole new offense into the NFL. One where it utilizes all his many gifts.

The people pointing out White to Vick/Young are completely retarded and obviously know NOTHING about Pat White aside from his height/weight and his stats. He is a TEAM FIRST guy, always has been. The reason he didn't throw more in his career at WVU was because that's what the team asked for. For the most part, they had a great team too. When given the chance to be an actual throwing QB, he's done great. He has one of the best characters of anyone coming from college football in a long time. His combine performance was great. He's worth a #2, and worth a chance.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I wouldn't mind taking him in the second if we had a first round pick, but since we don't I would have to say no thank you.

[X-Clown]

You mean #1 draft pick David Carr? That QB who held the ball too long in the pocket all the time cuz he was taught thats what real QBs do? The guy we gave all that money too who's the backup in NY now getting paid again nicely. Yeah I remember him. As for Vince he won the game didnt he? I dont see you in here discounting Jake's wins this past year in Oakland, against Tampa, against Chicago, against Detroit because he put up pooty to mediocre performances.

David Carr is a flat out bust plan and simple. We can agree on that point. That's why I'm not overly impressed by VY's performance against us. And certainly not impressed by Jake's performance against the Raiders and Tampa either. That wasn't my point....you make it sound like Young and Vick are upgrades over Jake even though they have never taken their teams anywhere. And they get kudos when they win ugly games, but you give Jake none. It's either one or the other. Which is it??

The truth is we asked our QB to do less than any other QB last year and he still let us down when it mattered most. All of the tools that surrounded him offensively he should've produced more than he did. Now we can hope and pray he's gonna become Elway in 09, but I'd rather we draft a QB that not only competes with him but upgrades our entire QB unit. The QB is the most important position on the football field. Lets repeat that again for everybody. The QB is the most important position on the football field.

He did his job in most games, and I'm not trying to even say that he's a top guy. But the offense was scoring 30 plus points a game down the stretch last year and Jake led some comebacks too, late in the game while our defense was giving up leads in the 4th quarter. He might not have had pretty peripheral stats because our backs punch in the rock around the goal line, but the offense wasn't the problem last year. You don't win games often by simply outscoring everybody in a shootout. Ask Drew Brees and the Saints how that worked out last year. Or the Denver Broncos who were 2nd in the league in offense. Do you think it's just a random coincidence that the 3 top defenses in the league made it to their conference championship games?

Obviously the awful performance in the Arizona game leaves a lot to be desired by everyone. And I'm for getting another quarterback to compete for the job, just forgive me if I'm not sold that a rookie like White who has never played a down is an IMMEDIATE UPGRADE to Jake unless he can play defensive tackle too.

And yes, the quarterback is the most important position on the field....which is why you better make damned sure if you're going to use your highest draft pick on a unknown player when your offense is not the achilles heel of the team and not use it to improve your defensive personnel.

I dont think Mike Vick is an awesome quarterback, but I dont think Jake Delhomme is an awesome quarterback either.

That's funny, because I'm pretty sure on the old board that you said Michael Vick is a better quarterback than Matt Ryan. In fact, you cited that Matt Ryan hasn't gotten his team to the NFC Championship (even though he was a rookie) and that Vick has. Again, which is it?

I never called Jake a failure, he's done alot for the Panthers franchise. I'm sure he's probably a real nice guy. But right now he's not a very good QB and he's only getting older. This franchise keeps stabbing itself with a fork over and over holding onto players too long. The Panthers have never had a mobile QB and more often times than not lose to em so I dont know why they're fanbase is so adamantly sure you cant win with one. I think Pantherland is scared you can win with a different QB at the helm. Change is a scary thing.

Like I said, if Pat White plays defensive tackle or defensive end, and can play it well, draft him at #59. Like I also said, it doesn't matter who our quarterback is if our defense continues to give up points by the bushel. Hopefully the Meeks hiring fixes it, we shall see.

[2jakefansinva]

Well if you check, you can see the post count there. Its just someone trying to be a douche. As you seen, I was just trying to offer the convo a fresh idea on the subject and someone pops in here being a pain. You guys should ban their ip and see who it is lol...

Seemed like Troy Smith did good whenever he got to play for the Ravens.

I honestly think Pat White could step in and upgrade your offense some. Think about the youth, speed, arm, and how cheap you guys could lock him up for multiple years. The question here is... why the hell not?

If PW is capable of upgrading an offense don't you think there are plenty of other teams that would go for him in the first rd? I can think of a couple of teams in Fla. that might need help at the QB position long before the Panthers will.

[X-Clown]

The truth is we're not going anywhere if our QB throws 4/5 interceptions in important games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/08/chff/

Of course.

All three of those QB's suck, but that doesn't mean you can automatically place White in the Young or Vick category without him actually doing anything yet.

He's not supposed to start right away.

That's not what KT said...he said huge upgrade immediately.

[SorthNarolina]

If we focus on an offensive draft again without paying attention to the Defense for the second year in a row, with a meeks defense they might as well call us the carolina colts.

[rayzor]

not crazy about the white/vick comparisons.

people only focus in on the rushing ability that white has because, well, he is arguably the best rushing QB in NCAA history.

he is also a very good passer, though...something that vick wasn't. at the combine he was the best looking one out there. he is known for his vision of the field and good decision maker as a passer. 65.7 completion %. that isn't something to take lightly. the guy is a play maker.

should we draft him? i don't know...i would still rather wait till next year because there are some better options, imo. still, if we drafted him...i wouldn't absolutely love it because i think that we need to be focusing on defense in our first couple rounds or drafting depth on the OL. i wouldn't hate the pick either.

plug him in as a WR/RB? or whatever for the first couple years and let him learn things and get him making plays for us and try to find as many ways to use him as possible for his career. i still don't think he should be limited to QB (he can do everything and do it well) but when he is called on to be one i expect him to be good.

[Squirrel]

Reason to give him a shot. But Im like some other people if we dont get some earlier picks I dont want us grabbinga QB first.

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