Pat White in the second round for Panthers?

[dpanthersman]

He is at 205 now.

my bad. that makes his size even closer to vicks. which like was said before is a good thing. vick was a big time play maker. the comparisons to vick should be a compliment

[Brandon]

my bad. that makes his size even closer to vicks. which like was said before is a good thing. vick was a big time play maker. the comparisons to vick should be a compliment

I think the comparisons to Vick are unfair, because White has the intangibles that Vick never had.

[King Taharqa]

Of course Mike Vick and Pat White have been compared and not because of skin color. They are both smallish undersized quarterbacks who were known for their passing and more for their running. Their collegiate stats were similar and they both had success in college running a spread/option type system. Differences? Vick coming out of college will be much higher drafted and is considered to have more talent and skill.

White was considered a very average quarterback who until his last bowl game was not that highly regarded. His stock has gone up significantly. He should be lucky that someone would compare him to Vick. Vick was the number 1 draft pick in the 2001 draft while White will be lucky to go in the top 50.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana werent even taken in the top 50. But if a pocket passing QB is compared to them, its a HUGE compliment. A QB compared to them is seen as having TREMENDOUS upside. What kind of upside does a QB compared to Mike Vick have?

[dpanthersman]

I think the comparisons to Vick are unfair, because White has the intangibles that Vick never had.

i can agree with that. whites a good QB. i wouldnt take him in the second just because we have bigger needs

[dpanthersman]

Tom Brady and Joe Montana werent even taken in the top 50. But if a pocket passing QB is compared to them, its a HUGE compliment. A QB compared to them is seen as having TREMENDOUS upside. What kind of upside does a QB compared to Mike Vick have?

the upside to become a huge play maker. the type of player that could change an entire game by himself. before vick started having injury problems and off field problems he was one of the most feared players in the game. teams game planed around him. to say pat white is that type of player is a compliment

[panthers55]

I think the comparisons to Vick are unfair, because White has the intangibles that Vick never had.

In college Vick had just as many intangibles as White and was considerably faster and more elusive. Vick never improved that much as a pro but White can't have intangibles in the pros when he hasn't taken one snap. He will be very lucky to have as much success, money and fame as Vick had.

White's 40 time- 4.55

Vick's 40 time- 4.3

[Squirrel]

White used to run a 4.3 the extra pounds he put on hurt his times. Maybe he can get the speed back but who really knows.

[panthers55]

Tom Brady and Joe Montana werent even taken in the top 50. But if a pocket passing QB is compared to them, its a HUGE compliment. A QB compared to them is seen as having TREMENDOUS upside. What kind of upside does a QB compared to Mike Vick have?

At the time he came out in 2001 Vick was considered to have the arm of John Elway, the running ability of Steve Young and so on. It was years later we also found out he has the decisionmaking ability of OJ Simpson.

White doesn't appear to have the issues that Vick does so the reality is he has the good stuff without the bad. People never said Vick wasn't talented they said he lacked character and leadership skills. I don't hear people compare him to Vick the man but Vick the player. Seems he should be very happy for the comparison.

As for Brady or Montana, neither of them are great pocket passers, IMO. Both of them are consistent winners with multiple superbowls.

[Brandon]

In college Vick had just as many intangibles as White and was considerably faster and more elusive. Vick never improved that much as a pro but White can't have intangibles in the pros when he hasn't taken one snap. He will be very lucky to have as much success, money and fame as Vick had.

White's 40 time- 4.55

Vick's 40 time- 4.3

I disagree. Vick was NEVER a good leader or intelligent. While Vick was used to his full potential in college, White suffered with a very restrictive system which as many WVU fans will attest, didn't use him properly.

[panthers55]

I disagree. Vick was NEVER a good leader or intelligent. While Vick was used to his full potential in college, White suffered with a very restrictive system which as many WVU fans will attest, didn't use him properly.

Vick only played 2 years in college and was the rave of everyone. He was considered a good leader and a good decisionmaker especially for an underclassman.

He wasn't very bright but that is more exposed in the pros versus college where offenses are more complex but the defenses are so much better. They are hard to read and diagnose.

To date White hasn't shown anything so I can't give him an advantage until he earns it. But you may be right about underutilizing White. But for most folks until this year they didn't know he could throw the ball.

[Squirrel]

I would give Whtie the edge in Leadership and Character even in college Vick was a punk. Never heard a bad thout about White in College and his leadership won alot of games for WVU Vicks athletisim is better. White was restrictive in his first 3 years due to Rodriguez and him only wanting to run the spread option.

[King Taharqa]

At the time he came out in 2001 Vick was considered to have the arm of John Elway, the running ability of Steve Young and so on. It was years later we also found out he has the decisionmaking ability of OJ Simpson.

Nobody remembers Vick for his arm. He's remembered for his athletic ability. He relied on it moreso than any other QB in the game. I dont see Pat White playing the game that way. He should be compared more to dual threats like Garcia, McNabb, Young, Elway.

White doesn't appear to have the issues that Vick does so the reality is he has the good stuff without the bad. People never said Vick wasn't talented they said he lacked character and leadership skills. I don't hear people compare him to Vick the man but Vick the player. Seems he should be very happy for the comparison.

Im sure establishing his own identity and mark on the league as a franchise quarterback would make him alot happier. I dont think in 2009 being compared to Michael Vick is a good thing.

As for Brady or Montana, neither of them are great pocket passers, IMO. Both of them are consistent winners with multiple superbowls.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana are 2 of the best pocket passers of all time and 2 of the best quarterbacks of all time, there is a difference. If they arent, who is?

[Woodie]

While Vick was used to his full potential in college, White suffered with a very restrictive system which as many WVU fans will attest, didn't use him properly.

That's a very subjective statement.

I can't speak for White, but to say Vick was used to his full potential in college is not really true...and I am a card carrying member of the Vick is overrated and over hyped club. So in no way am I trying to be a Vick apologist.

Anyway, Vick was used in college much like he was in the NFL...a run based QB that would occasionally throw. He was basically in a one read scheme. If his one read was not open, he was supposed to run. Very simple and basic. No progressions, no reading of the defense, just look for your primary read and if it's not there, go. So if anything, it could be argued that Vick was never really developed as a QB in college. And in truth, White has had more opportunities to develop as a passer than Vick did.

[panthers55]

Nobody remembers Vick for his arm.

Vick had a rocket for an arm. He was often accused of zipping it so hard it bounced off the receiver's chest.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana are 2 of the best pocket passers of all time and 2 of the best quarterbacks of all time, there is a difference. If they arent, who is?

Agree that they are two of the best. But it is the multiple Superbowls that are the hallmark not the great pocket passer. If you saw Montana much you would know that he was often on the move as he had a hard time seeing over the line.

Brady is a good pocket passer but isn't a great pocket passer. Until Moss got there he didn't really stand in the pocket and throw deep downfield. Look at his statistics for 2007 versus his other years and they aren't close. He was a great pocket passer in 2007. Other years, not as much.

Who are the great ones or potentially great ones?

Marino

Unitas

Manning

Drew Brees

Carson Palmer

There are tons more but it is 1:00 AM and I am beat.