A Possible Jake Delhomme Situation This Season...

[OneBadassCat]

I'm only bringing anything up into a discussion Tampa Bay related and focusing toward that when people are trying to take stupid cheapshots to be annoying. Maybe what I say is perceived as annoying but seems like you can't even make a decent topic for discussion with people and them not whining or making a stupid comment and following through with it response after response.

I really don't care what people want to bring to a conversation, atleast try to stick on the topic on hand and keep the personal attacks in the Smack forum. I'm here to have a good time and I like the Panthers second to the Bucs in the entire NFC. I earned alot of respect from watching alot of their key players play over the years. Like anytime I know its like 3rd down playing the Bucs, you can just about count on Steve Smith making that first down. I give respect to the players who deserve it, Jake deserves respect as far as his heart and intent to try to help his team win. Where I diss him is on his ability to read coverages and have a true touch on his passes. My intent isn't to be here insulting everyone, I just wanna talk football. If people wanna bring the Bucs into focus on every thread, I can easily argue points to make you look foolish.

So, relax if ya can... offer the post some enlightenment if you have something to offer and have a good time. Don't get upset over what I say on a issue, just explain why you think differently and I'll do my best to do the same.

Anyone want to translate?

[DaveThePanther2008]

If people wanna bring the Bucs into focus on every thread, I can easily argue points to make you look foolish.

This comment right here shows you are extremely biased. So basically no matter what someone says about the Bucs you think they are wrong and you will "make you look foolish" OH YEAH AND YOU AREN'T BIASED.

Go Panthers

[Lone Buc Fan]

Nah, I can just counter any stupid remark with a fun fact like the Gruden and Fox debate mentioned when someone was trashing on Gruden for no reason other then him being affiliated with the Bucs.

Saying I'll make someone look foolish if they are trying to find a comparsion, isn't being biased. Being biased is going against facts or the truth to side for something specific.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Nah, I can just counter any stupid remark with a fun fact like the Gruden and Fox debate mentioned when someone was trashing on Gruden for no reason other then him being affiliated with the Bucs.

Saying I'll make someone look foolish if they are trying to find a comparsion, isn't being biased. Being biased is going against facts or the truth to side for something specific.

Gruden/Fox Debate... There is no debate. With or Without the Ring. Fox is more consistent then Gruden.

The only true debate is whether it was Gruden's team or Dungy's team and Gruden knowing the Oakland's offensive and defensive schemes.

When you make your statements bring some fact with it. Oddly in one post I had and I pointed out FACTS with Figures your only comment was "you did all that to point out a 6 game difference" Because when you are faced with real facts and figures you discount it.

Yeah say it anyway you want. BIASED = Lone Buc Fan.

Go Panthers

[Lone Buc Fan]

Well people were saying that Fox has did more for the Panthers then Gruden did for the Bucs or even as a coach in general... refer to the Super Bowl ring, multiple NFC South division wins, back to back winning seasons... he might not be better then Fox but he's did just as much or more with the time he had, so you can beg to differ on that situation.

Yea, Dungy and Bruce Allen assembled the core... same type of situation that Tony Dungy acquired with the Colts and Jim Mora... I think just because a guy came in his first year and won a super bowl with talent he never coached, it shouldn't be any reason to trash on the guy. The thing to trash Gruden on is his changing of QBs often and making his players disgruntled. Gruden is a hot head and should have chilled on tweaking on his players, still doesn't mean he's a bad coach. He did above average as far as I seen.

I was just saying, the guy went to a long extent to try to discredit Tampa and winning 6 games doesn't mean anything in a 7 season span if you don't back it with a ring atleast. I mean, I was just debating what was said to me and the guy wasen't even trying to have a true debate. He was merely trying to trash the Bucs. I give the Panthers their props when they are due but just because I'm at a Panther message board, doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to throw things into Carolina's favor on every given occassion. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses compared to the other team. I'll defend my team, just as you defend yours... it makes for better discussion anyway. Thats aslong as people actually want a mature discussion and not some childish game of name calling.

So, don't call me biased if your going to say John Fox is more consistent then Gruden.. especially if Gruden accomplished more in his time as a coach then Fox did. Not to discredit what he did, but its easier to say Fox was more inconsistent then Gruden and saying otherwise is just biased.

So, don't contradict yourself if your taking the time to try to call me out on something that should have a valid point behind it.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Also, don't forget Gruden getting the Raiders to the AFC Championship and following it up with a Super Bowl win... thats to add to that ^, but yea... Fox is more consistent in his time as a coach.

[OneBadassCat]

Well people were saying that Fox has did more for the Panthers then Gruden did for the Bucs or even as a coach in general... refer to the Super Bowl ring, multiple NFC South division wins, back to back winning seasons... he might not be better then Fox but he's did just as much or more with the time he had, so you can beg to differ on that situation.

Yea, Dungy and Bruce Allen assembled the core... same type of situation that Tony Dungy acquired with the Colts and Jim Mora... I think just because a guy came in his first year and won a super bowl with talent he never coached, it shouldn't be any reason to trash on the guy. The thing to trash Gruden on is his changing of QBs often and making his players disgruntled. Gruden is a hot head and should have chilled on tweaking on his players, still doesn't mean he's a bad coach. He did above average as far as I seen.

I was just saying, the guy went to a long extent to try to discredit Tampa and winning 6 games doesn't mean anything in a 7 season span if you don't back it with a ring atleast. I mean, I was just debating what was said to me and the guy wasen't even trying to have a true debate. He was merely trying to trash the Bucs. I give the Panthers their props when they are due but just because I'm at a Panther message board, doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to throw things into Carolina's favor on every given occassion. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses compared to the other team. I'll defend my team, just as you defend yours... it makes for better discussion anyway. Thats aslong as people actually want a mature discussion and not some childish game of name calling.

So, don't call me biased if your going to say John Fox is more consistent then Gruden.. especially if Gruden accomplished more in his time as a coach then Fox did. Not to discredit what he did, but its easier to say Fox was more inconsistent then Gruden and saying otherwise is just biased.

So, don't contradict yourself if your taking the time to try to call me out on something that should have a valid point behind it.

Didn't read it.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Well people were saying that Fox has did more for the Panthers then Gruden did... refer to the Super Bowl ring, multiple NFC South division wins, back to back winning seasons... he might not be better then Fox but he's did just as much or more with the time he had, so you can beg to differ on that situation.

Yea, Dungy and Bruce Allen assembled the core... same type of situation that Tony Dungy acquired with the Colts and Jim Mora... I think just because a guy came in his first year and won a super bowl with talent he never coached, it shouldn't be any reason to trash on the guy. The thing to trash Gruden on is his changing of QBs often and making his players disgruntled. Gruden is a hot head and should have chilled on tweaking on his players, still doesn't mean he's a bad coach. He did above average as far as I seen.

So, don't call me biased if your going to say John Fox is more consistent then Gruden.. especially if Gruden accomplished more in his time as a coach then Fox did. Not to discredit what he did, but its easier to say Fox was more inconsistent then Gruden and saying otherwise is just biased.

Conceding the Super Bowl win.

For the sake of argument drop Gruden's and Fox's 1st season. Fox inheriting a 1-15 team and Gruden inheriting a super bowl caliber team. What did they do after?

Gruden 45-51 with 2 play off appearances 0-2 Record, 2 double digit loss seasons, 3 seasons over .500, 3 seasons under .500. 1 season double digit wins.

Fox 56-40 with 3 play off appearances 5-3 record, lowest record 7-9, 2 season under .500, 3 season over .500 (all double digit wins) one .500 season.

I don't see how you can contend that Gruden is more consistent. And you sound like Alan Jackson "that's my story and I am sticking to it" So no need beating a dead horse.

I was just saying, the guy went to a long extent to try to discredit Tampa and winning 6 games doesn't mean anything in a 7 season span if you don't back it with a ring atleast. I mean, I was just debating what was said to me and the guy wasen't even trying to have a true debate. He was merely trying to trash the Bucs. I give the Panthers their props when they are due but just because I'm at a Panther message board, doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to throw things into Carolina's favor on every given occassion. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses compared to the other team. I'll defend my team, just as you defend yours... it makes for better discussion anyway. Thats aslong as people actually want a mature discussion and not some childish game of name calling.

That GUY was ME and I went a long way to put facts on the table that you basically ignored and the ONLY thing you took from it was 6 more W's over 7 years. I never trashed the Bucs, I refute your comments about how your players were man for man better than most of ours, Stating facts over our 3rd rank rushing offense over your 14th (I believe it was) ...I wasn't trying to have a debate with you is correct... You were spouting off without backing any of it up EXCEPT for being biased. I was putting Facts on the line and YOU were discrediting our team because you are a Bucs fan.

AND THAT'S MY STORY AND I AM STICKING TO IT

So, don't contradict yourself if your taking the time to try to call me out on something that should have a valid point behind it.

IMO you have yet to point out ONE VALID POINT other than the fact you are a Big Time Bucs fan in OUR Forum discrediting OUR TEAM.

So let me get your answer on these questions so I am clear on your opinion.

Jake is a substandard quarterback with a big heart? (though 08 was the 1st time Jake has lost in TB)

Man for Man the Tampa Bay Bucs are better than the Carolina Panthers?

Year in and Year out Tampa Bay produces a better team?

The only thing that really matters is the Bucs won the Super Bowl 7 seasons ago and therefore Tampa Bay a better Franchise?

I think that is all I want to know.

Also, don't forget Gruden getting the Raiders to the AFC Championship and following it up with a Super Bowl win... thats to add to that ^, but yea... Fox is more consistent in his time as a coach.

NO BEARING ON THIS TOPIC WHAT SO EVER

Go Panthers

[mantal]

Didn't read it.

I've gotta agree. I'm not gonna read anything that has his name on it again...

[rayzor]

Nah, I can just counter any stupid remark with a fun fact like the Gruden and Fox debate mentioned when someone was trashing on Gruden for no reason other then him being affiliated with the Bucs.

Saying I'll make someone look foolish if they are trying to find a comparsion, isn't being biased. Being biased is going against facts or the truth to side for something specific.

didn't read it.

Well people were saying that Fox has did more for the Panthers then Gruden did for the Bucs or even as a coach in general... refer to the Super Bowl ring, multiple NFC South division wins, back to back winning seasons... he might not be better then Fox but he's did just as much or more with the time he had, so you can beg to differ on that situation.

Yea, Dungy and Bruce Allen assembled the core... same type of situation that Tony Dungy acquired with the Colts and Jim Mora... I think just because a guy came in his first year and won a super bowl with talent he never coached, it shouldn't be any reason to trash on the guy. The thing to trash Gruden on is his changing of QBs often and making his players disgruntled. Gruden is a hot head and should have chilled on tweaking on his players, still doesn't mean he's a bad coach. He did above average as far as I seen.

I was just saying, the guy went to a long extent to try to discredit Tampa and winning 6 games doesn't mean anything in a 7 season span if you don't back it with a ring atleast. I mean, I was just debating what was said to me and the guy wasen't even trying to have a true debate. He was merely trying to trash the Bucs. I give the Panthers their props when they are due but just because I'm at a Panther message board, doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to throw things into Carolina's favor on every given occassion. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses compared to the other team. I'll defend my team, just as you defend yours... it makes for better discussion anyway. Thats aslong as people actually want a mature discussion and not some childish game of name calling.

So, don't call me biased if your going to say John Fox is more consistent then Gruden.. especially if Gruden accomplished more in his time as a coach then Fox did. Not to discredit what he did, but its easier to say Fox was more inconsistent then Gruden and saying otherwise is just biased.

So, don't contradict yourself if your taking the time to try to call me out on something that should have a valid point behind it.

didn't read it.

Also, don't forget Gruden getting the Raiders to the AFC Championship and following it up with a Super Bowl win... thats to add to that ^, but yea... Fox is more consistent in his time as a coach.

and....didn't read it.

[Jangler]

Anyone want to translate?

Blah blah blah I love the Bucs blah blah blah I have a hamster in my *** blah blah blah I'm not biased blah blah blah I just came to stir the pot blah blah blah i like 7 year old boys blah blah blah I'm having Grudens love child blah blah blah...