A Possible Jake Delhomme Situation This Season...

[Lone Buc Fan]

Yea was a legit question and I forgot it was the divisonal round as the Panthers made it to the NFC Championship minimum in the years they made it, so I just forgot.

You see this type of situation happen time to time and Jon Gruden pulled his pro bowl QB after the first week, when the loss wasen't entirely Jeff's. The way I could see it being a problem for Jake, even if he is turnover free is if he doesn't throw enough tds to be considered starting material any longer. Thats how I can see it playing out if it did happen.

[Jangler]

Gruden is impatient. He pulls QBs faster than he pulls hairs out of his nose.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Yup, which his inconsistent notions partially led to him being fired. What got Gruden fired was how the season finished, mixed with the majority of the players bitching about how he treated people. Gruden more treated his players as a pawn of his game, and mocked people when they'd either miss time from being hurt, or struggle to produce when playing hurt.

So much potential, just utilized the wrong way. Sucks to see a good coach get have to leave.

[mantal]

Yup, which his inconsistent notions partially led to him being fired. What got Gruden fired was how the season finished, mixed with the majority of the players bitching about how he treated people. Gruden more treated his players as a pawn of his game, and mocked people when they'd either miss time from being hurt, or struggle to produce when playing hurt.

So much potential, just utilized the wrong way. Sucks to see a good coach get have to leave.

Gruden is/was a bad coach. He managed a Super Bowl against a bad team with a Tony Dungy team, tell me I'm wrong. Other than that, he's been superfluous at best. It's a good thing you got rid of him...

[PantherRush]

Gruden is impatient. He pulls QBs faster than he pulls hairs out of his nose.

Somewhere in between Gruden's approach and Fox's approach there is a strategy that makes sense. Gruden changes QBs too quickly and Fox keeps starting the same erratic QB year after year and expects different results.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Gruden is/was a bad coach. He managed a Super Bowl against a bad team with a Tony Dungy team, tell me I'm wrong. Other than that, he's been superfluous at best. It's a good thing you got rid of him...

Gruden is a decent coach, he was more of a offensive guru then a solid coach on both sides of the ball... thats why Kiffin continued to hold such a large role with the defense when Gruden came in. Gruden had a #1 offense when with Oakland and had the tuck rule not came into effect, Gruden would have put the Raiders into the Super Bowl. He comes to a new team that gave up a arm and a leg to get him and he wins them a super bowl for the first time in what 26 seasons?

Discrediting Gruden's efforts to coach a team, just shows your having a biased view on the situation. Gruden did more for the Bucs then John Fox has did for the Panthers and it was in his first year. Don't forget, the Bucs wouldn't of dominated the Raiders in the fashion that had if Gruden wasen't the coach. Dungy acquired most of the talent but was too passive and didn't have the ability to get the same squad over the hump like Gruden did... trying to say the Raiders were a bad team is ludacris aswell... A good enough defense to hold up and a top notch offense is good enough to be a super bowl calibur team and your saying they were but lol.. that just could easily be said of what the Panther's ability as a team was then over the years if thats the case.

[mantal]

Gruden is a decent coach, he was more of a offensive guru then a solid coach on both sides of the ball... thats why Kiffin continued to hold such a large role with the defense when Gruden came in. Gruden had a #1 offense when with Oakland and had the tuck rule not came into effect, Gruden would have put the Raiders into the Super Bowl. He comes to a new team that gave up a arm and a leg to get him and he wins them a super bowl for the first time in what 26 seasons?

Discrediting Gruden's efforts to coach a team, just shows your having a biased view on the situation. Gruden did more for the Bucs then John Fox has did for the Panthers and it was in his first year. Don't forget, the Bucs wouldn't of dominated the Raiders in the fashion that had if Gruden wasen't the coach. Dungy acquired most of the talent but was too passive and didn't have the ability to get the same squad over the hump like Gruden did... trying to say the Raiders were a bad team is ludacris aswell... A good enough defense to hold up and a top notch offense is good enough to be a super bowl calibur team and your saying they were but lol.. that just could easily be said of what the Panther's ability as a team was then over the years if thats the case.

What did Fox do the season after he took over. Think before you speak, please. Think first...

[Lone Buc Fan]

He didn't put his team in position the same Gruden did... don't discredit Gruden and say hes a bad coach like you did then. Gruden wasen't the best, but he did more then John Fox did is all I'm saying. So, if Gruden was a bad coach.. whats that make John Fox for a coach?

[PantherRush]

What did Fox do the season after he took over. Think before you speak, please. Think first...

Ancient history. The last two years have been less than impressive. I'm ready for a new regime. Anyone who isn't probably will be after our first 5 or 6 games.

[Jangler]

Barring Injury Fox's teams are always a contender. Even with injuries you can't count them out. Grudens teams took a downward spiral after his second season and never recovered.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Last year 9-3, barring injuries... the Bucs were a contender. Also, even after the Super Bowl... Gruden still put out some playoff teams. Chris Simms leading the Bucs to the playoffs of all QBs.

Throw that in there with Garcia facing the Giants and the Giants having negative yardage after the 1st quarter. Not all things play into your favor when coaching, but Gruden has accomplished more then Fox has since Gruden is being brought into this discussion and you can't say all of Fox's teams are contenders if they've never put winning seasons together.

That compared to Gruden gives Jon a slight edge, even if he was fired. I didn't agree with the firing and seemed like the entire leauge was in shock aswell. I wouldn't say Gruden is better then Fox, but he's definatley no worse. The results speak for themself.

[MadHatter]

Last year 9-3, barring injuries... the Bucs were a contender. Also, even after the Super Bowl... Gruden still put out some playoff teams. Chris Simms leading the Bucs to the playoffs of all QBs.

Throw that in there with Garcia facing the Giants and the Giants having negative yardage after the 1st quarter. Not all things play into your favor when coaching, but Gruden has accomplished more then Fox has since Gruden is being brought into this discussion and you can't say all of Fox's teams are contenders if they've never put winning seasons together.

That compared to Gruden gives Jon a slight edge, even if he was fired. I didn't agree with the firing and seemed like the entire leauge was in shock aswell. I wouldn't say Gruden is better then Fox, but he's definatley no worse. The results speak for themself.

Yep...9-3 until they came to town and took an ass kicking so bad that they could never recover.

Gruden is no offensive genius. The Bucs have lived on their defense for years. Gruden liked to stockpile QB's so he could bench one for the other when they did not perform.....that way he had a scapegoat for his poor gameplanning and coaching.

[Carolina Crazy V2]

This is hypothetical of course and just pertains to this scenario, trying to see what kind of opinions there are..

Say, if the Panthers start the season losing 5 of their first 7 games. With all 3 quarterbacks being in their contract year, do the Panters pull the plug on Jake and end his run as the starting Panther QB... in hopes that the younger guys (Matt Moore and Josh McCown) will pan out for the Panthers at a cheaper price.

Should the plug be pulled on Jake in this type of situation, or do you stick with the guy who has put you in multiple playoff spots?

This would never happen. 2-5 is basically impossible so stop trolling up this site.

[Lone Buc Fan]

2-5 is possible, better teams in the history of the NFL have had this dilemma.