i had an interesting conversation with a draftnik about nawrocki on twitter

[rayzor]

From what I understand, the guy you tweeted to said he spoke to two people in the league, a league GM, and a teammate of Cam's, and they said they thought Cam was fake? Did I misread those tweets?

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.

[rayzor]

You mean to tell me this guy, who admits being in the media bubble and not in the real world is using hearsay in this media world?

Blasphemy.

Honestly man if you didn't know all this BS already, I'd think you're the one in the bubble.

Or maybe you were just trying to get him to expose/admit how worthless/inaccurate he and his work is...good luck getting anyone in the media to admit that. Way too much time on your hands. Although personally, I would have taken his 'bubble' comment as saying just this.

pretty much this. even though i read what they say, i don't take any one of them at face value and i expect that most of them are talking out of their ass.

i do'nt have way too much time on my hands, btw. i just act like it. i work from home and figure i can waste as much time here as i can working for come company from an uncomfortable cubicle.

[carpanfan96]

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.

He did and the information came from NFL teams, how they got that information....ehhh

However he mentions that his scouts talked to some people in Auburn and got the same type of answer from them. Maybe a player or two had an issue with Cam about something...who knows...

[edromeo]

loved it rayzor

if Nolan is/was a savvy 'scout' he would know that you cannot trust an assessment from a coach/gm/exec/team scout around draft time

acquiring players is not a joke to these people, its their jobs

in the past these people have been known to lie, burry documents, burn/hide game tape/film, all to increase their chances of landing the prospect they want

i was watching 3 for the show about Newton,Locker and Tyrod Taylor and its too funny the difference between how NFL cooches talked to Gil Brandt about Cam vs the way media talked about Cam

it wasn't even close they all talked about Cam in superlatives, the Browns were hoping Cam could fall to them and joked that 'anything could happen'

i think the media scouts views don't represent actual scouts/gms views and that is why the media portrays certain moves as 'reaches' when the truth is probably that they the media scouts had it wrong in the first place

[Fright]

Rayzor does a better job sticking it to people for criticizing a player's character than i'm sure a lot of agents do.... someone get this man a new job....

[rayzor]

loved it rayzor

if Nolan is/was a savvy 'scout' he would know that you cannot trust an assessment from a coach/gm/exec/team scout around draft time

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i think the media scouts views don't represent actual scouts/gms views and that is why the media portrays certain moves as 'reaches' when the truth is probably that they the media scouts had it wrong in the first place

if these guys had actual talent as scouts they would be employed by teams. only a couple of them make any kind of real money from doing this.

if i were them i would take every bit of information i was lucky enough to get from real life scouts and GMs with a grain of salt knowing that they probably are feeding me bad intel.

they are for the most part tools (of real life scouts) trying desprately to gain any kind of authority they can to get traffic to their blog and hopefully get noticed by someone who matters.

[mav1234]

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.

ahh I misread this one thing:

@SidelineFB TheSidelineView

Spoke with at least two people I know. I confirmed with them they spoke to him. Auburn teammate said same thing last year

I took that to mean he had confirmed with 2 people he knew that they had spoken to him, and an Auburn teammate said the same thing (implying that Nawrocki spoke to the teammate and with the two people he knew).

doesn't matter either way, was a stupid thing to publish..

dunno why he needed that one "fake smile" sentence at all.

[ed bell]

So this "Professional Draftnik" thing is like some small cottage industry that pumps out written evaluation pieces/ blogs that attempt to provide fans with draft prospect info, while believing that they have influence over the ones that do this for a real living? They aren't real scouts or journalists? Maybe the only way to get noticed in this field is to take some extreme opinions and try to get yourself noticed by putting them out there. NN accomplished that regardless of the validity of his work. I'd bet that he's glad he published it even though he was wrong. Excuse? I'd bet on "We all miss every once and a while". Either way, I know his name now and I've never heard of him before.

I'll admit to being interested in all the draft info I can digest, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take it like someone's spreading lies about my mama.

[Woodie]

I don't know why this is so surprising. This discussion could have been with just about any draftnik about any player. These so-called draft experts do not have the access to players or coaches like teams do. They often have to rely on second hand information to make their evaluations. That's why guys like Mayock said "if" Cam is willing to put in the work he has an unlimited ceiling. The thing is, they can evaluate tape, pro days, the combine, etc., but a) do not have the resources, and b) do not have the access to truly evaluate the non-performance aspects of a player.

The best ones have many different sources that provide them with info, so they can corraborate what they hear with multiple sources, thus feeling pretty comfortable that what they report is accurate, while others without that kind of network tend to be more hit and miss on their evaluations.

Just to be clear, I am not defending NN, he clearly did not verify his intel with a broad enough net and should have not been so aggressive in his evaluation.

[Lumps]

rayzor was simply trying to make him admit he is pretty worthless at his job, ironically ryzr did this instead of his own job

: )

[Cary Kollins]

Nice work. Don't let these bastards off the hook.

[rayzor]

rayzor was simply trying to make him admit he is pretty worthless at his job, ironically ryzr did this instead of his own job

: )

meh...i'm sure my boss (me) won't mind. :)

i ain't saying anything to my wife, tho. :o

[footballisasport]

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.

So you pretty much brought to light what many had already assumed.

[chef17]

If you really didn't care and moved on you wouldn't be spending time on it. Just saying