Abortion, ban it or endorse it?????

[CRA]

It is nobody's choice to have a child when they have sex. The only choice made when people have sex is the choice to have sex (assuming it isn't a rape). .

Sex is a reproductive act first and foremost. So yes, when you CHOOSE to have sex you have to except the responsiblity that it's actual function is CREATING LIFE. Reproduction isn't a possible consequence of sex.......it is the purpose if it. The good feelings and fun is just icing on the cake in reality.

[mmmbeans]

Until the child is born and then they can pay for 18 years?

it's your/our business in your relationship, it's not your/our business from a legal standpoint.

don't take it so personally.

[mmmbeans]

Sex is a reproductive act first and foremost. So yes, when you CHOOSE to have sex you have to except the responsiblity that it's actual function is CREATING LIFE. Reproduction isn't a possible consequence of sex.......it is the purpose if it. The good feelings and fun is just icing on the cake in reality.

the pleasure of sex is just as physiological as the possible outcome... the fact that we experience pleasure is actually WHY we do it.

in reality, the "creation of life" and propagation of the species is simply the icing on the cake.

Do you eat because if you don't you will die? Do you eat because you enjoy it? These things are evolutionarily and physiologically intertwined. We've been programmed for millions of years to do them, we can't help it.

[CRA]

Do you eat because if you don't you will die? .

yes. at it's core.

[Zcustom]

the biggest issue with abortion is that in order to fully comprehend and make an informed decision about something so serious, you need to have experienced it first hand. Men simply cannot do that. Most women can't either.

Majority of the worlds problems arise from people making decisions on topics that they are dangerously misinformed about.

There needs to be serious education on both sides of the issue before a rational, intelligent "decision" can be made.

[CRA]

the biggest issue with abortion is that in order to fully comprehend and make an informed decision about something so serious, you need to have experienced it first hand. Men simply cannot do that. Most women can't either.

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you just said the only people who should make decisions in regards to abortions are those who have aborted their pregancy? :confused:

[mmmbeans]

yes. at it's core.

if you completely ignore the layers of evolutionary physiological and psychological conditioning to encourage us to do these things you really aren't talking about anything that is real.

animals don't f*ck because they think it will result in pro-creation... they do it because it feels good, because something in their brains tells them they *need* to.

the outcome is incidental. If your premise was true, people would stop having sex if they were impotent or when they got old. Homosexuality wouldn't exist.

But all these things happen because people have sex first and foremost for pleasure. They always have.

[Zcustom]

you just said the only people who should make decisions in regards to abortions are those who have aborted their pregancy? :confused:

No

[g5jamz]

wrong forum?

[CRA]

No

maybe I misread it but you said, men couldn't understand it, most women couldn't understand it.......that people with first hand experience needed to make the decision.

First hand experience of having abortions is what I read.....or did you mean women who have given birth to a child

[Panthro]

I think he's saying that the people dictating the laws are not the ones having to deal with the issue first hand.

[Zcustom]

maybe I misread it but you said, men couldn't understand it, most women couldn't understand it.......that people with first hand experience needed to make the decision.

First hand experience of having abortions is what I read.....or did you mean women who have given birth to a child

Yes you did. By leaving out the rest of my post you took that paragraph out of context.

I said people need to make "informed" decisions, and that most people aren't properly educated on the subject.

the biggest issue with abortion is that in order to fully comprehend and make an informed decision about something so serious, you need to have experienced it first hand. Men simply cannot do that. Most women can't either.

Majority of the worlds problems arise from people making decisions on topics that they are dangerously misinformed about.

There needs to be serious education on both sides of the issue before a rational, intelligent "decision" can be made.

So since most people aren't capable of fully comprehending what it's like to be faced with a decision to abort....

....people need to educate themselves more before forming an opinion.

Maybe volunteer at a clinic, or spend time with women in that position, gain perspective...

[CRA]

if you completely ignore the layers of evolutionary physiological and psychological conditioning to encourage us to do these things you really aren't talking about anything that is real.

animals don't f*ck because they think it will result in pro-creation... they do it because it feels good, because something in their brains tells them they *need* to.

the outcome is incidental. If your premise was true, people would stop having sex if they were impotent or when they got old. Homosexuality wouldn't exist.

But all these things happen because people have sex first and foremost for pleasure. They always have.

you, me, life in general exists b/c of reproduction. Feeling good does go hand in hand.....but it's primary purpose is reproduction.

Sex drives, ability, frequency all diminish w/ age. Not a coincidence. We are wired and made to reproduce at certain ages.

I ain't touching the gay thing.

[CRA]

Yes you did. By leaving out the rest of my post you took that paragraph out of context.

I said people need to make "informed" decisions, and that most people aren't properly educated on the subject.

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It was your opening paragraph.......I did leave out more education being needed from my quote.

I just didn't get the context of "people with first hand experience needed to make the decision". Still don't.