questiion Fans of taking Brockers with our first

[panther4life]

Why??

I do not see any reason to believe he should be drafted that high. DT's that come in and have an impact their rookie year are very rare. In addition I see nothing special done by him to prove that he would be a part of that rare breed. I personally think taking a project or someone who would take time to develop with a top 10 pick would be a waste. I understand how desperately bad everyone would like to have a playmaking DT but I just don't see one who can come in make that kind of impact immediately.

edit: fugged up thread title due to posting from cell shoud have said "question for fans of taking Brockers with our first round pick"

[rayzor]

that's your fault if you can't see why.

anything that needs to be said regarding why he would be a good pick is in every other thread about him.

nice thread, though.

[panther4life]

that's your fault if you can't see why.

anything that needs to be said regarding why he would be a good pick is in every other thread about him.

nice thread, though.

you mean the bleachers report article??

[rayzor]

yeah, because that's the only thread talking about him.

smh

[TylerVagyler]

Why??

I do not see any reason to believe he should be drafted that high. DT's that come in and have an impact their rookie year are very rare. In addition I see nothing special done by him to prove that he would be a part of that rare breed. I personally think taking a project or someone who would take time to develop with a top 10 pick would be a waste. I understand how desperately bad everyone would like to have a playmaking DT but I just don't see one who can come in make that kind of impact immediately.

edit: fugged up thread title due to posting from cell shoud have said "question for fans of taking Brockers with our first round pick"

Not many CBs make a huge impact their rookie year either. And it's not just about his rookie year. He would be a nice long term answer and a safer pick than Kirkpatrick, imo.

EDIT: And please don't use PP as a CB who made an impact for his team. He made an impact as a PR, not a CB.

[iskassim06]

Not many CBs make a huge impact their rookie year either. And it's not just about his rookie year. He would be a nice long term answer and a safer pick than Kirkpatrick, imo.

EDIT: And please don't use PP as a CB who made an impact for his team. He made an impact as a PR, not a CB.

Kirkpatrick is just tall..He can't really cover anyone. Plus he's injury-prone.

[Guest Bwood15]

I think it's because we find ourselves in a weird position at the 8 or 9 spot.

We have needs on the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary, but this is also a very young team with very promising players.

If we draft a corner, either Captain, Hogan, or Butler find themselves as the odd man out. If we draft a DT either Edwards, Fua, McClain, Shirley, or Neblett find themselves as the odd man out.

And then you have Greg Hardy and Sherrod Martin who haven't exactly earned the rights to be full time starters, but they are both young and promising so do we look for a replacement?

I think Brockers is just the hottest defensive linemen right now. Coples is really the only other top 10 competition for him right now and the majority of fans really dislike Coples and want to to stay away. Brockers has the size and potential to be a very great player, and not just a rotational guy. A guy that can be extremely disruptive and cause a plethora of problems for the offensive line.

Edit: And most importantly, the defensive line makes the secondary look better, its not vice-versa. Thats a very important thing to take into consideration. So looking at it that way is it better to have a handful of guys that can get to the QB and cause turnovers? Or is it better to have a bunch of CB's that are all around the same skill level (besides Gamble) and then keep blaming them for being superstars?

[Sloth]

Process of elimination:

CB (assuming Claiborne is gone):

Kirkpatrick isn't worth a top 10 pick

Jenkins has the talent but is a headcase - not worth a top 10 pick.

DE:

You couldn't pay me to draft Coples top 10 and he'll probably be gone before we pick anyways because he's going to tear the combine a new asshole.

LB:

No Linebacker is worth a top 10 pick.

S:

No Safety is worth a top 10 pick.

That leaves Reiff/Martin/DeCastro/Brockers/Still/Floyd as value picks (and I'm not very confident Reiff will be there).

I'd say Reiff/Martin/Brockers/Still pre-combine.

[HeatCheck]

EDIT: And please don't use PP as a CB who made an impact for his team. He made an impact as a PR, not a CB.

Why people didn't see this last year before the draft is beyond me. He came in and did exactly what I expected him to do. He is a athlete and returner that happens to plays CB.

[panther4life]

yeah, because that's the only thread talking about him.

smh

Not trying to get into a pissing match with you and going to give you some rep to prove it. Damn I know you like him and are obviously offended by the fact that we dont share the same opinion on him but no need to get bent out of shape over it.

Here's some reasons why I don't like him with the 8th/9th pick.

1.Gil Brandt and Mike Mayock both have him ranked the 3rd best DT in the draft.

2.NFL scouts told Brockers himself he projects as a late 1st round pick to early 2nd, not top 10.

3.Only Scouts Inc. has him as the best DT, from any reputable source I can find but they also have Luke Kuechly rated above him so who knows what their thinking.

4.I doubt he will realize his full potential as quickly as others that we can draft that high.

[HeatCheck]

CB (assuming Claiborne is gone):

Jenkins has the talent but is a headcase - not worth a top 10 pick.

Not sure I'd go as far as saying he is a headcase. I've read that going to N.Bama actually matured and humbled him. But we all know that he will have to prove himself again.

[Sloth]

Not sure I'd go as far as saying he is a headcase. I've read that going to N.Bama actually matured and humbled him. But we all know that he will have to prove himself again.

I hope so, because without all the baggage, he's easily the second best CB in the draft and a very real possibility for us at 8/9. He is going to live and die by his combine interviews.

Because of all his previous trouble I don't think he has a chance to go until mid-late first, which is a shame.

[Keith Moons Liver]

what's this obsession with finding a guy who is going to be a pro bowler from day 1? we are years away from competing for a superbowl. we have time to develop our talent.

[panther4life]

what's this obsession with finding a guy who is going to be a pro bowler from day 1? we are years away from competing for a superbowl. we have time to develop our talent.

I have no problem with taking players and developing them like we did with Charles Johnson and James Anderson. I just don't want to use a top 10 pick on a project