Brandon Lafell = best hands in the NFC South

[bleys]

Where is this coming from bleys?

Damn man.

What was so negative about my post?

And my post wasn't derived from some asinine assumption based on opinion or stigma, it was based off of the fact that Legs actually led the league in dropped passes several weeks into the season IIRC.

He played a lot better towards the end and I think a lot of that can be credited to him moving to the slot after LaFell started getting the starts.

Furthermore, I've said nothing but good about LaFell this year as far as I can remember. I've loved his effort in every aspect of the game and he showed some serious gamebreaking ability this year.

Where is this coming from? It seems every thread I make, you jump all over it for no apparent reason.

this is coming from my overall disgust with this forum and it's constant abuse of opinions without persective... your OP wasn't exactly my target, but those in the past... and you say there is no stigma, yet we're talking about a small point in time that is still attached to him til this day..?

such as...

While I understand the case you are trying to make, it is odd that your group contains only 1 WR, with the rest being running backs and tight ends.

It might be more compelling to state that Naanee had a higher catch rate than H. Nicks, A.J. Green, and Vincent Jax.

But let's be honest. Even if Naanee had hands equal to Graham, Nicks, Green, and V. Jax, he does not bring the same production to the table. PFF had him rated as the #73 WR following the regular season.

We can do better.

he's going to be our 4th receiver.. and people want to pretend Naanee has absolutely no value at all because (as I pointed out earlier) he's dropped a "volume of passes" or "dropped something like 10 footballs"... based on what? The idea that Naanee only dropped 5 passes? Let's just assume it was 10... let's just exaggerate like a motherf**ker on some issue because we don't have 5 Steve Smith's on our team...

I mean, your entire response Marguide is that a (soon to be) #4 receiver isn't as productive as Graham, Nicks, Green, and VJax who are all #1 targets..

is that really a valid point to make? even as a #3 receiver? He caught 44 balls and dropped 5 passes...

the only point being made here is that people should work on having a little perspective from time to time..

So Proudiddy, this comes from a few threads where perspective hasn't been your strong point and I neither have the time nor the energy to point every single person out. Let's not beat around the bush, you are guilty at times in posting threads/responses based around emotion instead of perspective.. "being a fan and who cares if we all agree, it's more fun if we exaggerate poo" is status quo around here and I love how there are people who keep saying that poo like it's respectable..... I can't address them all. You make an easy target.

The LaFell comment I made was about fans being impatient and jumping on LaFell all last year because he was the "target of the hour"... bitching about his hands, so on and so forth. It just gets really old watching people totally ignore that players grow and that it just MIGHT be okay to be reasonably patient...

Naanee's drops early in the season doesn't qualify him as the worst receiver in the league.. People want to point out a "volume of drops" which isn't really all that accurate.. By no means have I said Naanee should be starting, but there's a fine balance between constantly bashing a receiver who has otherwise been a solid contributor and should probly stick around as a #4 receiver.. who's going to take his spot in the depth chart? Pilares? AE? lol

perspective is my only point.. "everyone agreeing would be boring" is absolute horseshit.. ;)

[bleys]

You're basing your opinion on a stat that I completely distrust. If that stat were accurate, I would totally agree with you. I think whoever that stat keeper is has a very strange definition of a "drop". I'd like it if they came out and defined a "drop" for us so we're all on the same page. To me, a drop is when the ball hits the receiver in the hands (or chest or helmet) and he doesn't catch it, unless it hits him in the back or the back of the helmet or something and couldn't reasonably be expected to know it's there. Based on that definition, Naanee isn't anywhere CLOSE to 95%. Most numbers across the board would go down, but Naanee's would go down drastically. Lafell's wouldn't go down much as far as I remember, I don't remember many hitting him in the hands and not being caught.

Sooner or later, maybe this weekend, I'll put my GamePass to good use and rewatch some games and count for myself.

Just in case my point wasn't clear above.. I'm basing my opinion on this forum's strange desire to berate players for things they were never intended to be..

Include Fua and McClain in here.. just the other day some jackass said something along the lines "They were thrown in the fire, despite being rookies and playing like 90% of rookies, they were asked to step up so they should have been Veteran NFL starting caliber DTs... but only shown flashes of potential. that's unacceptable."

I mean really? whaaaaaaat the fuuuuuuuuuck kind of opinion is that?... lol does that make the forum more awesome? People want to have a their opinion respected and yet can't come up with a respectable opinion...

#1 receiver is not written in the stars for Naanee.. but the constant bashing of him is uncalled for and a little perspective would easily show you our soon-to-be #4 receiver is a very solid option should we need him.

so please, go back and watch the games and then you can report back to us exactly how shitty of a receiver he is for a backup...

[panfan32]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/30312/best-hands-in-the-nfc-south-4

He finished 3rd behind Colston and Preston Parker of TB with a catch percentage of 97.3. While that sounds awesome, I don't really know how to take this stat considering it has Legadu with a better catching percentage (95.7) than Smitty (95.2).

Anyway, great to put a number with the visual proof of improvement.

You have to take into consideration how many passes were thrown to Smith and Legadu. Thats why Legadu's number is a little higher. Plus Smith did have several drops this year. Still, he had a great season.

[panfan32]

This is how I see it.

1. Lefeel had few drops during the season. i dont think anyone can deny that what so ever. Lafell was targeted 56 times and had 36 receptions. Thats a 64% Ratio. Now how many were drops, bad throws, or deflections out of the 20 he did not catch?

2. Legedu was targeted 76 times and had only 44 receptionis. Thats 58% ratio. Same as Lafell, how many were drops, bad throws, or deflections out of the 32 he did not catch?

(he was alos added to the roster later in preseason after David Gettis went down) That means less time in the offense. He had several key dropps early on in the seaosn and made some outstanding catches later on.

3 Smith was targeted 129 times with 79 receptions giving him a 61% ratio. how many were drops, bad throws, or deflections out of the 50 he did not catch.

The issue is stats never tell the whole story about the player. Smith had severl balls over thrown and batted away by defenders. He also droped several. Does this make him a bad reciever? No. Same with Legedu. Hes' not a bad reciever in any sense. He got here late in preseason and improved over the season. alothough he should have had an edge coming from San Diego from the same offense we run here. This is why he started over lafell.

I see this next season as our WR Depth Chart

#1 Smith

#2 Lafell

#3 Legedu (Gettis moves up by mid season) MO Due to lack of speed.

#4 Gettis (Legedu Moves down by mid season) MO due to speed. Streches the defense more vertically.

Blast away guys. I know its coming.

[Proudiddy]

Bleys, you are complaining about people basing things on opinions, yet you are posting in an internet forum dedicated to Panther fandom. I'm sure this is the place where you'll win over the masses with your "come up with a uniform opinion that we can all share on the internet" movement.

Additionally, you're complaining people have unrealistic ideas and views on players.

I think the problem is you have unrealistic ideas and views of what an internet message board is about.

These pointless and misguided attacks are getting old.

[panfan32]

?????????? Who was that directed too ??????????

[Proudiddy]

The LaFell comment I made was about fans being impatient and jumping on LaFell all last year because he was the "target of the hour"... bitching about his hands, so on and so forth. It just gets really old watching people totally ignore that players grow and that it just MIGHT be okay to be reasonably patient...

Naanee's drops early in the season doesn't qualify him as the worst receiver in the league.. People want to point out a "volume of drops" which isn't really all that accurate.. By no means have I said Naanee should be starting, but there's a fine balance between constantly bashing a receiver who has otherwise been a solid contributor and should probly stick around as a #4 receiver.. who's going to take his spot in the depth chart? Pilares? AE? lol

perspective is my only point.. "everyone agreeing would be boring" is absolute horsepoo.. ;)

I make an easy target?

Perspective? I get it now... Wait on the players you find worthy of waiting on, everyone else is off limits. Awesome perspective.

Your posting out of emotion now for no apparent reason... You just wrote like 3 pages worth of a Word document to call people out for biases only to demonstrate your own. This is a message board for fans, we may agree, we may disagree, some speak out of emotion, others hold their tongue and allow cooler heads to prevail...

We're all different in how we express our fandom, therefore your expectations are unrealistic.

[Marguide]

this is coming from my overall disgust with this forum and it's constant abuse of opinions without persective...

I mean, your entire response Marguide is that a (soon to be) #4 receiver isn't as productive as Graham, Nicks, Green, and VJax who are all #1 targets..

We know you are disgusted with the forum, you remind us constantly whenever someone's opinion does not agree with your own. I think you are a great poster 90% of the time, but that doesn't mean you should climb on your soapbox because others have a different viewpoint.

And my point had nothing to do with Naanee's productivity compared to the above mentioned receivers. It was just comparing his catch rate to other WR's rather than TE's or RB's.

Look, Naanee is okay. Just okay. He was one of our most highly penalized players, he and Newton weren't on the same page early in the season, he has little YAC ability, and yes, he dropped some balls in key situations. Some of us feel we can find another WR in the draft or FA that offer more. That is no reason to point at us and say we are abusing the forum.

[panfan32]

To tell you the truth, I dont see the need right now to draft another WR. With Gettis coming back, I just dont see it

[bleys]

Bleys, you are complaining about people basing things on opinions, yet you are posting in an internet forum dedicated to Panther fandom. I'm sure this is the place where you'll win over the masses with your "come up with a uniform opinion that we can all share on the internet" movement.

Additionally, you're complaining people have unrealistic ideas and views on players.

I think the problem is you have unrealistic ideas and views of what an internet message board is about.

These pointless and misguided attacks are getting old.

I make an easy target?

Perspective? I get it now... Wait on the players you find worthy of waiting on, everyone else is off limits. Awesome perspective.

Your posting out of emotion now for no apparent reason... You just wrote like 3 pages worth of a Word document to call people out for biases only to demonstrate your own. This is a message board for fans, we may agree, we may disagree, some speak out of emotion, others hold their tongue and allow cooler heads to prevail...

We're all different in how we express our fandom, therefore your expectations are realistic.

plenty of people have opinions.. we can disagree all day, but when people are spouting off our rookie DTs should look like veterans out on the field, then face it, you're a joke.. This is a forum, expect to hear some truth.

there's a big difference between accepting different opinions and listening to bullshit.. don't compare the two..

I love this whole idea that people shouldn't be called out because they rather be irrational... it's an internet forum right? :cool:

We know you are disgusted with the forum, you remind us constantly whenever someone's opinion does not agree with your own. I think you are a great poster 90% of the time, but that doesn't mean you should climb on your soapbox because others have a different viewpoint.

And my point had nothing to do with Naanee's productivity compared to the above mentioned receivers. It was just comparing his catch rate to other WR's rather than TE's or RB's.

Look, Naanee is okay. Just okay. He was one of our most highly penalized players, he and Newton weren't on the same page early in the season, he has little YAC ability, and yes, he dropped some balls in key situations. Some of us feel we can find another WR in the draft or FA that offer more. That is no reason to point at us and say we are abusing the forum.

there's a big difference between accepting different opinions and listening to bullshit.. don't compare the two..

Your comment on Naanee was just a good example at the moment.. how people want to bash him as a 4th option is beyond me.. can we upgrade? yeah, what position is that not true aside from Cam, Smitty, Olsen, Beason, Gamble, CJ...

how is all of this relevant? well Naanee isn't nearly as bad as everyone wants to label him and I'm sorry if people can't handle being called out on an internet forum... maybe if they tried to be reasonable instead of "he had to have like 20 drops this year" or using terms like "his volume of drops were fatal to our team year", they wouldn't look like a complete joke..

[bleys]

Bleys, you are complaining about people basing things on opinions, yet you are posting in an internet forum dedicated to Panther fandom. I'm sure this is the place where you'll win over the masses with your "come up with a uniform opinion that we can all share on the internet" movement.

Additionally, you're complaining people have unrealistic ideas and views on players.

I think the problem is you have unrealistic ideas and views of what an internet message board is about.

These pointless and misguided attacks are getting old.

there's a big difference between accepting different opinions and listening to bullshit.. don't compare the two..

I make an easy target?

Perspective? I get it now... Wait on the players you find worthy of waiting on, everyone else is off limits. Awesome perspective.

Your posting out of emotion now for no apparent reason... You just wrote like 3 pages worth of a Word document to call people out for biases only to demonstrate your own. This is a message board for fans, we may agree, we may disagree, some speak out of emotion, others hold their tongue and allow cooler heads to prevail...

We're all different in how we express our fandom, therefore your expectations are realistic.

plenty of people have opinions.. we can disagree all day, but when people are spouting off our rookie DTs should look like veterans out on the field, then face it, you're a joke.. This is a forum, expect to hear some truth.

I love this whole idea that people shouldn't be called out because they rather be irrational... it's an internet forum right? :cool:

We know you are disgusted with the forum, you remind us constantly whenever someone's opinion does not agree with your own. I think you are a great poster 90% of the time, but that doesn't mean you should climb on your soapbox because others have a different viewpoint.

And my point had nothing to do with Naanee's productivity compared to the above mentioned receivers. It was just comparing his catch rate to other WR's rather than TE's or RB's.

Look, Naanee is okay. Just okay. He was one of our most highly penalized players, he and Newton weren't on the same page early in the season, he has little YAC ability, and yes, he dropped some balls in key situations. Some of us feel we can find another WR in the draft or FA that offer more. That is no reason to point at us and say we are abusing the forum.

let me reiterate... there's a big difference between accepting different opinions and listening to bullshit.. don't compare the two..

Your comment on Naanee was just a good example at the moment.. People are constantly bashing Naanee like he's our #1 receiver.. how people want to bash him as a 4th option is beyond me.. can we upgrade? yeah, what position is that not true aside from Cam, Smitty, Olsen, Beason, Gamble, CJ...

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Don't try to rationalize the idiocy of comments like "Naanee had to have like 20 drops this season" or using terms like "volume of drops" to describe 5...

perhaps you 2 shouldn't have been the primary focus in this particular thread.. but "internet forum" or not, this forum represents our fanbase and the sad thing is outside of it: it's even more pathetic.. feel free to join me in trying to elevate our fanbase so we don't look like such a joke..

accepting different opinions has nothing to do with accepting fabricated bullshit...

[Brooklyn Bully]

Someone wake me up when Brandon's TD numbers and Yards are that of Colston, Smitty, Jones, and White. Until then, this thread is stupid.

[panfan32]

Steve smith Second season stats

GP 15 GS 10

Rec: 54 YDS: 872 TD: 3 AVG: 16.1

Brandon Lafell 2nd season stats:

GP: 16 GS: 5

Rec: 36 YDS: 613 TD: 3 AVG: 17.1

Not saying in anyway he is Smith or Colston. But he started 5 less games than smith in his second year and was 200 yards shy of smiths total recieving yards. with 20 less catches.

Is he suppose to by Smith? or even Smiths replacment, no. But he does apear to be a viable WR for next season and years to come.

[OneBadassCat]

Brandon is on his way to being a solid #2 or even a #1 someday in the league. He gets more impressive by the day. I've said it before but he's got just enough of everything to be an all around great WR. He's got just enough speed to beat you deep, can run good routes, blocks well, makes remarkable clutch catches. Absolutely solid player.