Rotoworld.com's View on the Panthers draft needs...

[Lone Buc Fan]

And the real problem with Carolina is its depth. Your team isn't evenly balanced enough to say they are truly one of the best teams. You can look at records if you want for 1 year, years before too, but you have to look to the future and your depth.

Depth is the main key to any good team, as your going to face different injuries year to year.. if you guys lose almost any of your solid starters and have to play guys that your not sure about... it'll get really rough when you get playing Drew Brees with some unknown corner and safety trying to stop Colston and other good receiving threats.

Your best hope is Peppers gets dealt so you have money and depth to address your needs more.

[AKPantherFan]

Also, aslong as Marshall doesn't get abused as bad as Lucas did... then you should see a bit better coverage.

hey -- "offseason POSER" -- you know whats funny, you know more about our team than your own..

Quit sucking Jocks and get back to the tampon forum where you belong.

[DaveThePanther2008]

And the real problem with Carolina is its depth. Your team isn't evenly balanced enough to say they are truly one of the best teams. You can look at records if you want for 1 year, years before too, but you have to look to the future and your depth.

Depth is the main key to any good team, as your going to face different injuries year to year.. if you guys lose almost any of your solid starters and have to play guys that your not sure about... it'll get really rough when you get playing Drew Brees with some unknown corner and safety trying to stop Colston and other good receiving threats.

Your best hope is Peppers gets dealt so you have money and depth to address your needs more.

You talk about depth and how good a team is year in and year out. Hinting that we haven't become one of the really good teams in the NFL. I think in the John Fox era we are pretty damn good. Sure we have had issues in spots here and there as any good team does. Painstakingly I have done some research to put you in your place. Below are figures from the NFL since John Fox has been our coach (coincides with the new 4 division format)

These are the standings by team and record since the inception of the 16 game 4 division per conference format.

1. New England 86-26

2. Indianapolis 85-27

3. Pittsburgh 72-39-1

4. Philadelphia 69-42-1

5. San Diego 66-46

6. Denver 66-46

7. Carolina 63-49

8. Green Bay 63-49

9. Tennessee 63-49

10. Seattle 62-50

11. New York Giants 61-51

12. Dallas 61-51

13. Baltimore 61-51

14. Tampa Bay 57-55

15. Minnesota 56-56

16. Chicago 56-56

17. Jacksonville 56-56

18. Atlanta 55-56-1

19. Kansas City 53-59

20. New York Jets 52-60

21. Washington 50-62

22. Miami 50-62

23. New Orlean 49-63

24. Buffalo 49-63

25. Cincinnati 48-63-1

26. St.Louis 46-66

27. San Francisco 42-70

28. Cleveland 42-70

29. Arizona 41-71

30. Houston 40-72

31. Oakland 35-77

32. Detroit 29-83

Carolina has the 2nd best record during that time in the NFC.

ONLY New England, Indianapolis and Denver have not had a season record lower than our worst 7-9. (03 Pitt 6-10, 05 Philly 6-10, 04 SD 4-12)

Depth is what kept us from a 1-15 in 04. It took a couple of games to Jell but eventually we came around. Carolina is one of the only teams to be in the running for the playoffs right down to the last week or two EVERY season. Tell me who outside of New England and Indianapolis can say that.

The Fox era has produced three 7-9 teams three teams with 11 wins or more and one .500 team.

Please before you start spouting off about depth and good teams do some research. Every season someone signs a free agent from Carolina which we let go because of depth or couldn't hold cause they got a starting job.

Carolina will get the ring soon and be considered one of the Elite teams. Even with your Super Bowl ring your regular season record is 2 games above .500.

Just some fun Notes. Record By Conference

AFC SOUTH 245-203

NFC EAST 241-206-1

AFC EAST 237-211

NFC SOUTH 224-223-1

AFC NORTH 223-223-2

AFC WEST 220-228

NFC NORTH 204-244

NFC WEST 191-257

14 Teams above .500

3 Teams .500

15 Teams Below .500

Only teams not to make the playoffs Detroit, Buffalo, and Houston.

Only teams with the same Coach: Carolina, Philadelphia, Seattle(retired this offseason), New England and Denver (fired this offseason)

Lowest to play in the superbowl 29 Arizona and 31 Oakland

Lowest Ranked team to win the Superbowl Tampa Bay (14)

Nearly 1/3 of Oakland total Wins came on 2002

Wild Card Playoffs by Division

NFC EAST 8

AFC SOUTH 6

NFC SOUTH 3

AFC NORTH 3

AFC WEST 3

AFC EAST 2

NFC WEST 1

GO PANTHERS

[bleys]

Damn, you're saying we can let our best pass rusher go and not do anything to replace him? Lordy... Brayton, Johnson, Hilee Taylor as our only DEs = :ee: If either of our two starters got hurt you're looking at a 7th round situation player in as an every down starter.

We're thin at DE already. If Peppers leaves we need to use a first day pick on someone to fill that void as well as adding a later round and/or veteran DE.

So you feel DE is a bigger problem than the real issue we faced WITH PEPPERS last year... A solid push from the middle. If you feel that way, then so be it, but I disagree fully.

If you bothered to read what my point was... (and let me reinterate), it had to do with why DT was a BIGGER need than DE.

I never said we couldn't use depth at DE. For that matter, we need depth everywhere (let me just state that for the record incase you want to talk about other incoherent things).

At DE, anyone we pick in the 2nd round and on wouldn't start over Brayton or Johnson anyhow, so please tell me why DE would be more important than DT starting off in the draft?

Anyhow, I feel DT is a bigger issue than DE. Nowhere are we going to find a replacement as good as Peppers, so going for DE just to fill his gap is only going to give you false hope (at best). In the 2nd round (which is what we are looking at so far), we can find a decent DT to bring in and groom.

Again, and perhaps I should repeat this since it wasn't comprehended the first time, neither position is going to be an instant hit. And at this point, DT will at least be able to swap out with Lewis or Kemo if only for run blocking. I'm not sold on Lewis being a 16 game starter and that's been a knock on him for a while. At least a DT could learn while in and at the same time give Lewis a breather.

You're only point was depth, well, that's great. Grab someone in the later rounds or FA. But you'll not find a starter in this draft when we can at least get some use out of a DT who we need.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Wow, so you went to all that extent to show that you've won 6 more games in what 6-7 years and 1 less ring... Amazing stats right there, thanks for the insight.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

bleys.. point out to me where I said DE was a bigger need than DT.

I agree that DT is our bigger need no matter what happens with Peppers, but if he's gone it makes DE a pretty big need also. You said we can lose Peppers and go BPA, BPA, BPA. A depth chart of Brayton, Johnson, Hilee Taylor is a nightmare. You're solution to fix the ultra thin DE situation if Peppers leaves is nothing more than to "Grab someone in the later rounds or FA."

Sorry but if there are no decent FA DEs available (I don't see any) adding a late round scrub isn't doing nearly enough. A first day pick is needed and I can easily see us getting a 1st and 2nd for Peppers. We could go DT in the first and get both a DE and CB in the 2nd.

[bleys]

bleys.. point out to me where I said DE was a bigger need than DT.

I agree that DT is our bigger need no matter what happens with Peppers, but if he's gone it makes DE a pretty big need also. You said we can lose Peppers and go BPA, BPA, BPA. A depth chart of Brayton, Johnson, Hilee Taylor is a nightmare. You're solution to fix the ultra thin DE situation if Peppers leaves is nothing more than to "Grab someone in the later rounds or FA."

Sorry but if there are no decent FA DEs available (I don't see any) adding a late round scrub isn't doing nearly enough. A first day pick is needed and I can easily see us getting a 1st and 2nd for Peppers. We could go DT in the first and get both a DE and CB in the 2nd.

You have to have a 1st to get a DT in the 1st. So far, not the case. Therefore I was addressing for our 1st pick (2nd round), that DT would be the first need.

Obviously we aren't understanding each other, so I'm just going to sum up my point and I don't need anyone assuming the rest of what that point was...

Your words, "I agree that DT is our bigger need no matter what happens with Peppers"...

That's all I'm saying. And since that's the case, yes, we can only pick up a DE in the later rounds, which refers to "add depth in later rounds". Since we have no 1st, it would have to be in the later rounds.

Anyhow, I thought I was fairly clear on everything...

Except BPA... That isn't what I think we SHOULD do, it's what I think the FO WILL do. I'm sure DT is going to be a target, but in the end, year after year, it's always been BPA. (naturally, you're going to try to fill a hole with that BPA though.)

[Lone Buc Fan]

bleys - whoa, another guy who posts on here with some true intelligence? I'm amazed, figured this forum was full of beer swiggin rednecks. Crazy.

[MadHatter]

bleys - whoa, another guy who posts on here with some true intelligence? I'm amazed, figured this forum was full of beer swiggin rednecks. Crazy.

I guess it does not bother you that everyone around you thinks you are a complete fool....but then again after seeing your picture....I can understand that you are very used to being the butt of all jokes.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Yea, I'm use to the bias already. Doesn't bother me a whole lot as I'm a patient, well thought person. If I were a Panther fan and riding the jock like you are, then I'd definatley be loved here. I'm as use to being the butt of all jokes, as your use to sitting on your ass and not doing anything physical in your existence. Even trade off I suppouse.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

bleys.. I've been talking about addressing our DE situation if Peppers is gone. I don't understand why you're looking at us having our 1st pick in the 2nd round with Pep traded. We will get at least a 1st for him and probably more.

As far as the BPA thing, I agree to some extent. I think it's always good to mix BPA and need. When I say "get a DE in the 2nd" you can pretty much translate that to "get a DE in the 2nd if and only if there's a DE there worth a 2nd round pick" I think our FO does a great job at filling need while still getting good value and not reaching for guys.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Wow, so you went to all that extent to show that you've won 6 more games in what 6-7 years and 1 less ring... Amazing stats right there, thanks for the insight.

NO A$$HOLE I didn't go to that extend to show that. I already knew we were a superior team.

See memory recollection needs to be apart of your thought process. You were running your mouth about Depth and good teams. I was proving to you that we are near an elite team already. Year in and Year out we are in the the Playoff mix. Not many teams can say that. Our depth is one reason why we are in the playoff mix every year. Even in 07 with all our issues at QB we found a way to stay in the run. A break or two and we would have qualified with M. Moore at QB. You post your teams depth like it is a roster full of future hall of famers but the bottom line is. Your team dropped out of sight and out of the playoffs because you HAD NO DEPTH.

Go back to your Buccaneer forum and spew your garbage. Yes it is extremely biased and is not "NFL educated". You are not a fan of the game in OUR forum talking common sense. You are a BUCS fan in here spewing unvalidated and uneducated comments.

Have a Nice Day....A$$HOLE

Go Panthers

[Squirrel]

Wow, so you went to all that extent to show that you've won 6 more games in what 6-7 years and 1 less ring... Amazing stats right there, thanks for the insight.

And you wonder why people are calling you names. This is why try to better phrase things and not talk down to people.

[Squirrel]

bleys - whoa, another guy who posts on here with some true intelligence? I'm amazed, figured this forum was full of beer swiggin rednecks. Crazy.

Another example.