BCS NCG: Bama vs LSU

[TheRealDeal]

Most intelligent post in this thread. Damn.

You could put that in my sig with arrows up and it would always apply.

[HeatCheck]

I think OSU is better than Alabama. They played better teams and beat them. Alabama played only two good teams in the regular season. They had an ACC caliber schedule. It must be nice to not have to play USC (edit: I realized this may be confusing to people who don't live in South Carolina, by USC I mean South Carolina not Southern Cal. My apologies) or Georgia, only play two good teams, lose one of them, not play in the conference championship game, and still get into the NC game.

I mean the SEC was so bad this year they made Vandy look competitive. WTF

Since they beat better teams that means they are a better team? Not following. I want someone to make a case for OSU that doesn't involve resumes. That doesn't determine the best team.

You say they only played "one good" team but they sure as hell didn't lose to a sub .500 team.

And OSU didn't play a conference championship game either.

We've seen time and time again that you need to play solid on both sides of the ball to win ball games and championships. I said this earlier but OU's 08 offense was better than this OSU's offense and only put up 14 points on a great UF Defense (some would say not as good as Bama's this year).

[TheRealDeal]

I said this earlier but OU's 08 offense was better than this OSU's offense and only put up 14 points on a great UF Defense (some would say not as good as Bama's this year).

I love when people use things you can't prove nor have any backing in arguments.

My favorite:

"If Paul Pierce was on the Lakers instead of Kobe, they'd have 7 rings"

[theyhateme45]

Since they beat better teams that means they are a better team? Not following. I want someone to make a case for OSU that doesn't involve resumes. That doesn't determine the best team.

You say they only played "one good" team but they sure as hell didn't lose to a sub .500 team.

And OSU didn't play a conference championship game either.

We've seen time and time again that you need to play solid on both sides of the ball to win ball games and championships. I said this earlier but OU's 08 offense was better than this OSU's offense and only put up 14 points on a great UF Defense (some would say not as good as Bama's this year).

Dude... WTF... I have all ready gave you a case from a on the field standpoint on why i believ OSU is better than Bama straight up. People have given you answers, you just choose to disagree and ignore them.

[HeatCheck]

Dude... WTF... I have all ready gave you a case from a on the field standpoint on why i believ OSU is better than Bama straight up. People have given you answers, you just choose to disagree and ignore them.

Dude...WTH...Stating that beating OU and Baylor is the reason OSU is a better team than Bama is not a reason. I don't ignore them, they are just flawed arguments.

Last time I checked football is played on both sides of the ball. The difference between Bama's defense and OSU's defense is greater than OSU's offense and Bama's offense.

I really think people don't watch CFB and just are just making a case for OSU because they can't stand the success of the SEC.

[HeatCheck]

I love when people use things you can't prove nor have any backing in arguments.

My favorite:

"If Paul Pierce was on the Lakers instead of Kobe, they'd have 7 rings"

What you talking about Willis? The offense of OU was more potent that OSUs this year. Bradford was the Heisman. They had a running game with DeMarco Murray, Chris Brown, and Madu. They had receiving threats in Gresham and Manuel Johnson.

[theyhateme45]

Dude...WTH...Stating that beating OU and Baylor is the reason OSU is a better team than Bama is not a reason. I don't ignore them, they are just flawed arguments.

Last time I checked football is played on both sides of the ball. The difference between Bama's defense and OSU's defense is greater than OSU's offense and Bama's offense.

I really think people don't watch CFB and just are just making a case for OSU because they can't stand the success of the SEC.

I never even mentioned Baylor...??? You have me confused

[Fox007]

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:

I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup

[The_Mango55]

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:

I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup

Every conference wants a +1 or playoff.

BCS officials said RIGHT AFTER THE GAME that something is getting done ASAP about a playoff solution.

If that isn't an indication that they didn't get it right I don't know what is.

[bleys]

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:

I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup

there should be a +1 regardless of who consistently wins... how someone would complain is beyond me, whichever teams make it to the championship game would straight up have to beat teams to get there..

[Fox007]

Every conference wants a +1 or playoff.

BCS officials said RIGHT AFTER THE GAME that something is getting done ASAP about a playoff solution.

If that isn't an indication that they didn't get it right I don't know what is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/08/jim-delany-bcs-change/index.html

Check the date, it isn't a "JUST NOW" issue.

It has nothing to do about them getting this years game wrong.(since it wasn't)

I want a playoff system myself.

there should be a +1 regardless of who consistently wins... how someone would complain is beyond me, whichever teams make it to the championship game would straight up have to beat teams to get there..

There should be a real playoff system period and most people agree.

It is funny to me about all the complaints, poo I'm confident in the teams I like to watch regardless of what system they use.

[The_Mango55]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/08/jim-delany-bcs-change/index.html

From that link:

None of the three commissioners on the dais with Delany on Thursday will take his side on this issue. Swofford doesn't want a large playoff, but he does support the four-team model that was proposed by SEC commissioner Mike Slive back in 2008. Thompson wants a playoff. In fact, he has tried proposing one before. Banowsky, one of the leaders in the fight to eliminate BCS automatic qualifying status, said the vote was fairly close in 2008. He also said that "in all likelihood," Conference USA presidents would support a plus-one.

I'd even say most of the head coaches in the B10 want some sort of playoff even if the conference as an entity doesn't.

[redbuddha]

Or I'm to busy doing stuff not relating to the Huddle to worry about you thinking I'm ducking away from a debate on a message board. Also, I never said that the two best teams shouldn't play for the title. I said that using the eyeball test to determine the two best teams is weak. I never said both teams weren't deserving, just that OSU was to. The only thing I disagreed with you about was that it is a "FACT" that Alabama and LSU would beat OSU. You, and every other "expert" have no way of knowing that. I have no clue what I did to get your panties into such a wad, but your personal problem you seem to have against me is rather amusing.....

P.S.

I think a ten year old could probably figure out my screenname is Cardiac Cat....it's really not that difficult.

Damn I must feel really stupid, I thought it was some kinda of Star Wars reference. Like C3PO.:confused:

[C47]

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:

I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup

I think I've already established my stance that it's impossible to say who was best between two teams that never played. I will say this though....based on what USC did to Auburn, @ Auburn the season before, I think most would bet the farm on USC....The Trojans completely dominated Auburn, holding Cadilac and Ronnie Brown to a combined 68 yards on 20 carries....yes the '04 Auburn team was better defensively and Campbell was a better player. But the game against Auburn was also before Reggie Bush and Lendale White started dominating college football. Not having Mike Williams in '04 would have made things a little harder on Leinart, but it's not like the other Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett were scrubs at USC.

I think it definitely would have been much more competitive then the game against Oklahoma, but in the end I like USC's offense to make the necessary plays. Of course, like I said there's no way to know for sure who would have won the game, but I think a lot of SEC fans underestimate the difference an elite QB can make, which is why they believe teams like Stanford, USC, OSU etc. could actually give teams like LSU a great game and perhaps win. I fully expect you to tell me I underestimate the difference a great defense can make, but you couldn't be more wrong. Whether or not anyone knows it, USC's 2008 defense was just as good as Alabama's this year, allowing 7.8 ppg and 206 ypg compared to Bama's 8.2 ppg and 184 ypg. The '08 USC teams defense is just forgotten, because of the team getting left out of the title game against Florida. So yea, I understand a little about defense as well....

But like I said, you talking trash about Auburn being the best team is pretty pointless because the two teams never played, and the '04 squads never will play (outside of the NCAA Football game), so there's absolutely no way to know.....