BCS NCG: Bama vs LSU

[The_Mango55]

Nobody is saying that they like the system. What is being said is that the system worked last night. The two best teams played, and only an annoying minority who can't stand when people don't like their teams are the only ones who expected a playoff to be instituted midseason to appease them.

Is the system broken? I won't even give you an answer to that-because it's irrelevant.

But as long the system is the way it is now, the experts are forced to pick the two best teams and have them play for a national title. Last night's game proved they got it right this year.

You certainly could not have taken LSU out of the game, they were undefeated, they were the best team in the nation. There isn't two teams in the nation better than they are, they are that good. It isn't about numbers and rankings and all the other crap you are using to perpetuate your hopeless argument-it's about professionals looking at the teams and recognizing that they are superior.

You've said nothing in this thread proving that these were the best 2 teams other than saying "well the experts agree."

LSU was the most deserving team in the nation, but clearly not one of the 2 best. I have no problem with the most deserving team making the championship, in fact I think that's a better goal than the best team making the championship game since it's often impossible to tell who the best is (as we saw last night).

Alabama is likely the best team in the nation, but were they one of the 2 most deserving?

And like I said earlier, why can't we complain about the game and the system at the same time? What's this rule you've made up saying that just because the voters got what they wanted it means everything worked out perfectly? Just because the system worked as the system was designed to work doesn't mean the system worked correctly.

[HeatCheck]

For those of you who now says that last night clearly proves that the best two teams played because of Alabamas victory... answer me this.

Had OSU climbed over Bama by a slight margin in the BCS, and OSU handedly beat LSU and Bama beat Standford, would that have clearly ment that the best two teams in the nation played each other???

Because if that did Happen I am sure all you the SEC bias fans would be saying the exact same thing we are saying now...We did not see OSU get a chance, so to state they are not 1 of the top 2 iis flawed, because frankely we do not know that as fact.

In the game last night I saw more than a few times when WR's (Not even star WR's) Were getting open downfield and behind the coverage... The thing was last night besides a few plays from Bama's QB, nobody was able to take advantage and make those plays... I believe OSU would have been able to take advantage and then put the defenses in a situation where they could not do what they wanted to do.

Based on what I have seen this Season from OSU and Bama, I believe if you put them on the field 5 times, OSU wins the series.... Therefore I do believe OSU is the better team. I am still yet to see Bama's defense play a very good passing QB and have to deal with a good WR/QB Tandom. Truth is, your opinion is no more correct, or right than mines....

Like I said SEC QB's/ Offenses this year have been horrible.... Had Bama been in the Big 12 this year I am 95% confident they have at least 1 loss in the conference, more than likely 2 or more as there offense would not be able to keep up with the scoring that some of those QB's will do.

8/10 years the SEC is the power conference, not this year in my opinion, they are the benefit of reputation from previous seasons.

I never said this but I will respond.

Last night didn't prove anything to me that I didn't already know. I have said for a good part of the year that LSU and Bama are the best two teams.

Last night had nothing to do with it because Bama and LSU have the same makeup as they did a month ago.

Results don't make teams good.

[The_Mango55]

Results don't make teams good.

What does?

[HeatCheck]

Alabama is likely the best team in the nation, but were they one of the 2 most deserving?

And like I said earlier, why can't we complain about the game and the system at the same time? What's this rule you've made up saying that just because the voters got what they wanted it means everything worked out perfectly? Just because the system worked as the system was designed to work doesn't mean the system worked correctly.

Because they are two different issues. How many times do we have to reiterate that to you?

It's not about who is most deserving then Boise St. would have seen NCG.

[HeatCheck]

What does?

Results are the aftereffect.

What makes a good team: a team that is sound in all three phases of the ball, the makeup of the team, how a team plays, the talent. You can't just look at results and say they are the best team. It's not based on standings, we should all know that.

Sh** Bama had like 3 losses last year and I would and did make the argument that they were the best team.

[teeray]

Andrew Luck beats either one of those two teams if they played them. Oregon would lose to either one of those teams last night. Oklahoma State could beat either one of those teams last night on a given night. That is an opinion based on match ups and how I think they would fair against one another.

I think Alabama is one of the best teams in the country and LSU certainly proved they deserved to be there in the regular season.

But I am not convinces those were the absolute two best teams in the country and one of those teams didn't even deserve to be there, yet are supposed to be national champions.

[The_Mango55]

Because they are two different issues. How many times do we have to reiterate that to you?

It's the same issue. If someone thinks a system is unjust they aren't just going to be happy about a result since it mostly abidied by an unjust rule.

It's not about who is most deserving then Boise St. would have seen NCG.

No, they had an argument for it a few years ago when they were undefeated but not playing opponents as good as OK St and not winning their conference.

[HeatCheck]

It's the same issue. If someone thinks a system is unjust they aren't just going to be happy about a result since it mostly abidied by an unjust rule.

But you are complaining about the 2 teams under the current system. Under the current system it was the right choice, they were the 2 best teams. You can complain about the system and it being unfair but you know that. Just don't mention Bama and LSU in your argument.

No, they had an argument for it a few years ago when they were undefeated but not playing opponents as good as OK St and not winning their conference.

That's what I was referring to. I wasn't talking about this years team...

[The_Mango55]

Results are the aftereffect.

What makes a good team: a team that is sound in all three phases of the ball, the makeup of the team, how a team plays, the talent. You can't just look at results and say they are the best team. It's not based on standings, we should all know that.

Sh** Bama had like 3 losses last year and I would and did make the argument that they were the best team.

poo like this is why I hate college football. Not the game itself but the entire system, and how it's been set up since the dawn of time. The BCS is slightly better than it was before, but make no mistake it's still a Mythical National Championship.

"Champion" is not and should not be synonymous with "Best team"

In basically every other sport I can think of, the Champion IS determined by results, not on who "experts" believe is the best.

That's what I was referring to. I wasn't talking about this years team...

Oh, well then you're right. Boise State should have had a chance to play for a national championship.

And once again, no I don't believe LSU was one of the 2 best teams. I believed it before the game but not now. But before the game I didn't believe Alabama was one of the 2 best teams so that argument is shot. This is why results DO matter.

[HeatCheck]

poo like this is why I hate college football. Not the game itself but the entire system, and how it's been set up since the dawn of time. The BCS is slightly better than it was before, but make no mistake it's still a Mythical National Championship.

"Champion" is not and should not be synonymous with "Best team"

In basically every other sport I can think of, the Champion IS determined by results, not on who "experts" believe is the best.

I agree with this. But that is true for any system, even playoffs.

[Cat'sGrowl]

You've said nothing in this thread proving that these were the best 2 teams other than saying "well the experts agree."

LSU was the most deserving team in the nation, but clearly not one of the 2 best. I have no problem with the most deserving team making the championship, in fact I think that's a better goal than the best team making the championship game since it's often impossible to tell who the best is (as we saw last night).

Alabama is likely the best team in the nation, but were they one of the 2 most deserving?

And like I said earlier, why can't we complain about the game and the system at the same time? What's this rule you've made up saying that just because the voters got what they wanted it means everything worked out perfectly? Just because the system worked as the system was designed to work doesn't mean the system worked correctly.

Here we go with this "deserving" nonsense again. Are you suggesting Houston should have been in national title contention?

LSU and Alabama played in the game because the general consensus is that they are the two best teams in the nation. You have to understand that your opinion isn't reflective of what the smart people think. That isn't implying you're dumb, but it could imply you don't know what you're talking about.

RK said it best yesterday. There are not two teams in the nation that are better than LSU. Alabama is. I think the fact that you fail to see how great both of these teams are, is the casual fan's tendency to undervalue defensive play.

[HeatCheck]

Oh, well then you're right. Boise State should have had a chance to play for a national championship.

And once again, no I don't believe LSU was one of the 2 best teams. I believed it before the game but not now. But before the game I didn't believe Alabama was one of the 2 best teams so that argument is shot. This is why results DO matter.

Yeah but I never thought they should.

I just said that people, like yourself, who think it's about the most deserving Boise would have seen a BCS CG.

And how can you believe LSU was one of the two best teams before, but not now. Nothing changed. They didn't get a new team.

[The_Mango55]

Actually OK State is better than LSU. I would say probably but since you're being totally absolute in your statement then I will also.

OK State has 4 times as many first place votes as LSU today so your theory of expert consensus is out the window. They barely edged them for 2nd place but the fact that there's debate among these experts that you seem to believe is a monolithic entity proves that it's not as absolute as you believe.

And how can you believe LSU was one of the two best teams before, but not now. Nothing changed. They didn't get a new team.

It was based on results. I don't base my opinions of best team on talent but rather on how a team plays, and I saw the worst offense I've seen all year last night.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Prior to the game: OkSt is better than Alabama! Alabama shouldn't be there!

*Alabama proves they are best team in country*

LSU shouldn't have been there! It doesn't matter that they went undefeated!

But, poster, this isn't logically cohesive.

I don't care! I'm just sick of SEC! I need any opening to attack it!

This is what I'm reading.