Hurney Would Have My Vote for GM of the Year

[panthers55]

E. Brown? Not sure you can put that on him just trying to save Fox's job. Horrific use of a first rounder.

It had nothing to do with saving Fox's job as you suggest. We were very concerned we were going to lose Peppers and would have no pass rush at all. We surveyed the draft and decided that Brown as a senior would be a top 10 pick and was even rated as a potential first rounder coming out as a junior. So we decided to pick him up as a junior thinking that we would use a first round pick but get a guy who was a potential first rounder a year earlier and have a year to train him in the system, With the offseason training to bulk him up he would more be valuable than if we used the pick on a guy coming out of college the next year and the bonus was we would get use of him for the year.

Obviously it didn't work out at all but the logic was actually pretty sound. It isn't like we haven't done it successfully with Johnson a few years ago.

[panthers55]

Hurney is quite possibly the worst gm in the league. Cam Newton saved his job and reputation this year. trading picks for armanti when we could have drafted a dt or something, add on mr. brown and it felt like we didn't have a 1st rd draft pick for about three years although i believe it was just two. not to mention, how about that contract he signed Jake when he had not even played a down after his surgery.... talk about throwing money down the drain

We didn't have a first rounder one year really in 2010. We just picked up our 2009 1st rounder a year earlier when we got 2 with Otah and Stewart.

As for Jake,let me say this for the 50th time. We extended him to save money to keep Peppers. The money he got was going to go to him anyway. The reason it was guaranteed was because Jake wouldn't have done it otherwise and he was already going to get the money anyway. And he played 1 year after his surgery before we extended him. Talk about not having a clue.....

[panthers55]

Forbes???

How does Polian rank once we count this seasons record for Indy? That's his team as well.

Hmm, most of those rankings forget to link the GM to the elite QB that plays for that team. Chicken-egg. If you have an elite QB, then you can spend time filling in holes on the team instead of always looking for your offensive leader. Geez.

As for Hurney, it's the trades that drove me crazy. Don't trade away your picks.

I just want a GM to not do stupid things that set back a franchise.

Sean Gilbert trade comes to mind.

Hurney didn't trade for Gilbert............ I bet he doesn't trade any first rounders away for awhile. He learned his lesson hopefully.

[panthers55]

While I largely agree with the overall content of your post, the part quoted above can be deceiving.

Any GM/Coach combo can make this stat look good just by putting the drafted guys on the field, whether they are the best available or not.

If the majority of your roster is made up of drafted players, and you do not consistently win, that is no testament to your ability to select talent.

Look at who is left. These guys survived the blood letting of 2010 and the purge of 2011. If they are still around now they must have some talent. Obvviously there are still exceptions such as Martin but for the most part Hurney has drafted pretty solid guys up and down the line.

We are building the team for the long haul so it will take some time to get things back to where they should be.

[Way Truth Life]

You are right though, Polian would only go where he has total control and Richardson like most owners won't let that happen as they should. When you own a bilion dollar business you don't just turn it over to anybody without having final say.

Well. I'd say Polian's record speaks for its self even with the 2-14 season this year. The Bills never won the big game, but Polian put the pieces in place to get them there 5 times. He got the Panthers pieces in place to get them to the NFC Championship quicker than ANY other team in NFL history. He put the pieces together for Indy and until last season, they are the winningest team in the league during his tenure.

If I were a hamburger flipping billionaire I would hire Polian in a heartbeat and then I'd sit in my box seat eating burgers watching my dynasty play football under his direction.

[panthers55]

Well. I'd say Polian's record speaks for its self even with the 2-14 season this year. The Bills never won the big game, but Polian put the pieces in place to get them there 5 times. He got the Panthers pieces in place to get them to the NFC Championship quicker than ANY other team in NFL history. He put the pieces together for Indy and until last season, they are the winningest team in the league during his tenure.

If I were a hamburger flipping billionaire I would hire Polian in a heartbeat and then I'd sit in my box seat eating burgers watching my dynasty play football under his direction.

Again Manning's record speaks for itself. Polian's record in Indy without Manning is abysmal. Again if he were so great why did he just get fired?? Maybe Irsay doesn't agree with you.

Buffalo was almost 2 decades ago. The majority of their success was due to beastly weather in Buffalo. The reason they never won a Superbowl was because they were built to beat teams in the snow and terrible weather. When they played in a stadium where weather wasn't a factor, they were not very good. They also had a division at the time with teams that were pretty sorry. Since realignment, the rest of the division got better and they have been at the bottom. As for Polian he was a 1 year wonder here and gave us Kerry Collins and Tyrone Poole, Wow. Our success had as much to do with the help we got with the rules that in place to help expansion teams as Polian. Jacksonville had pretty good success early as well. After that new teams like Houston got much less help up front because of our success.

Not hiring other guys to do your job is why he is a billionaire businessman and you and I are on this site debating the issue.

[Gin and Juice]

Look at who is left. These guys survived the blood letting of 2010 and the purge of 2011. If they are still around now they must have some talent. Obvviously there are still exceptions such as Martin but for the most part Hurney has drafted pretty solid guys up and down the line.

We are building the team for the long haul so it will take some time to get things back to where they should be.

Agreed, and patient fans realize this. With that said, this year is the most crucial in his time with Carolina. Regressing next year is not an option and will destroy these young guys. He has to hit this year in the draft and bring in enough talent via FA to have our bases covered in the injury battle. I'm not saying super bowl is an absolute must, but we have to win the ones we should have won this year and be better than 8-8.

[bigdog10]

Hurney still has a lot to do to win me back. The Everette brown and armanti garbage still weighs heavy on my opinion

[SauceBoss]

Agreed, and patient fans realize this. With that said, this year is the most crucial in his time with Carolina. Regressing next year is not an option and will destroy these young guys. He has to hit this year in the draft and bring in enough talent via FA to have our bases covered in the injury battle. I'm not saying super bowl is an absolute must, but we have to win the ones we should have won this year and be better than 8-8.

I think we need to go out in FA and get some veterans, but he's already claiming he's "going to do what he always does" and build thru draft. Sorry bud, but that doesn't work, that's just being cheap.

[panthers55]

I think we need to go out in FA and get some veterans, but he's already claiming he's "going to do what he always does" and build thru draft. Sorry bud, but that doesn't work, that's just being cheap.

Yeah Philly spent a boatload to bring in high priced FA veterans. How did that work out???

[Gin and Juice]

He will sprinkle a few mid level vets on the team, just not gonna offer Brent grimes or Finnegan some huge payday to come play with us.

Thank god most of you guys aren't in management cause you would fail by just throwing boat loads of money at some competitors employee that had a good year. Your own employees would hate you and then work against your success. I wanna see Carolina foster an environment where every player feels they can win the starting job. Competition breeds success. When you go out and sign high priced free agent then you are automatically giving him the starting gig and then players currently on your team grow resentful. RR and Hurney are now smart enough to know this, unlike some fans!

[Marguide]

Yeah Philly spent a boatload to bring in high priced FA veterans. How did that work out???

On the other hand, there are teams like Houston, San Francisco, and New Orleans that judiciously selected a few decent to good players to fill some holes on their rosters. Guys like Joseph, and Rogers, and Franklin and Sproles. Those all worked out very well.

Trying to buy a championship like Philly this year or Washington in past years is a proven road to failure. Likewise, shunning FA altogether except for guys signed off other's practice squads will usually get you the same result. It is just cheaper. Not more successful.

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

Is the originator of this thread on drugs?

[bleys]

What is amazing is that after explaining things in threads for years and beating it up ad nauseum, you get guys on here who don't have a clue and obviously don't understand what happened the past few years. We ought to have a quick compilation of threads from the past several years and make it required reading with a quiz at the end which you have to pass in order to post here. It would raise the understanding around here immensely.

Feel free to help me out when I trail off..

John Fox could never win back to back seasons despite having talent.. he and Hurney threw all their cards in to get back to a "power run game", pick up Stew, trade a future 1st to get back in the 1st round to draft Otah (a huge desperation move considering Ray Rice and Forte could have been drafted in the 2nd.. Maybe even trade back to grab an extra pick and still get Otah).. handcuffed themselves by waiting til the last minute to address Pep, traded up to draft Brown.. JR said, do what you have to do to have back to back winning seasons and make the playoffs... failed to get in the playoffs yet again, after having the same team the previous year.. JR said the hell with it, Fox you can stay or go, but your contract will not be renewed.. Fox was obviously NOT involved in the draft in 2010, AE was Hurney's one big mistake..

so I fail to see where Hurney wasn't apart of trying to save John Fox's job...