Stew says he'd love to stay a panther long term

[The_Mango55]

let's say we could land the actual Sproles......

Newton, Stewart, Sproles > Newton, Williams, Sproles.

Stewart is the RB who runs the read option.....and that is what brings Cam's ability into play. Stewart is also the one who pass protects.

Newton, Stewart, Williams > either of those.

[jtnc]

This is how it will happen imo, we will keep Stewart throughout the 2012 season, franchise tag him sign him to a long term deal and trade dwill.

[CRA]

But we have ALREADY paid Dwill. If it were reversed, I would say trade Dwill and keep Stwart. The Panthers signed Dwill to a long term deal. Your choice is to also pay Stwart big money, and then have two Highly paid backs, or trade Stewart, pick up draft picks and use the extra money to sign FA.

Worst move would be to cut DWill which would cost more than to keep him

Marty Hurney did not give DeAngleo Williams a fat contract where it would cost more to dump a 30+ year old RB than to keep him.

You seem to be focused too much on the fact he signed a contract and opting to ignore the fact that over thet next 4-5 (pending health) Stewart will be a SIGNIFICANTLY better RB than DeAngleo.

In the NFL you don't have HIGHLY paid 30+ yr old RBs. NFL contracts are made to be broken. How many years did Delhomme play here after his deal?

[CRA]

This is how it will happen imo, we will keep Stewart throughout the 2012 season, franchise tag him sign him to a long term deal and trade dwill.

almost ..

This is how it will happen imo, we will keep Stewart throughout the 2012 season, franchise tag him sign him to a long term deal and cut a 30+ yr old dwill.

You don't trade 30+ yr old RBs. No team would trade for one......no team would think they could trade one either.

[PantherBase]

Jstew should stay if the price is right.He's been very valuable to the panthers running game.

[carpanfan96]

Marty Hurney did not give DeAngleo Williams a fat contract where it would cost more to dump a 30+ year old RB than to keep him.

You seem to be focused too much on the fact he signed a contract and opting to ignore the fact that over thet next 4-5 (pending health) Stewart will be a SIGNIFICANTLY better RB than DeAngleo.

In the NFL you don't have HIGHLY paid 30+ yr old RBs. NFL contracts are made to be broken. How many years did Delhomme play here after his deal?

yes, it will cost more to cut him then to keep him. 16 million signing bonus over 5 years is 3.2 million a year. 2012 base salary is the other 5 million of the guaranteed salary he's set to make. 4 years left at 3.2 million for his bonus.

so

2012 season, 4 years left at 3.2 million +base = 17.8 cap hit if cut

2013 season, 3 years left at 3.2 million, if cut = 9.6 million cap hit

2014 season 2 years left at 3.2 million, if cut = 6.4 million cap hit

2015 season 1 year left at 3.2 million, if cut = 3.2 million cap hit

Those cap hit numbers are the actually numbers from his contract. He will be owed 18 million (not counting the signing bonus) over the last three years of that deal from 2013-2015. So cutting him before 2012, 2013 and 2014 will be big hit to the team cap wise. (That's a huge cap hit for one player)

Delhomme was cut because it was a non cap year, other wise he would have played at least that season in Carolina. Cutting Delhomme hit the team for a 13 million dollar cap hit for that one season to cut him. In a capped season that cut wouldn't have happened.

[CRA]

yes, it will cost more to cut him then to keep him. 16 million signing bonus over 5 years is 3.2 million a year. 2012 base salary is the other 5 million of the guaranteed salary he's set to make. 4 years left at 3.2 million for his bonus.

so

2012 season, 4 years left at 3.2 million +base = 17.8 cap hit if cut

2013 season, 3 years left at 3.2 million, if cut = 9.6 million cap hit

2014 season 2 years left at 3.2 million, if cut = 6.4 million cap hit

2015 season 1 year left at 3.2 million, if cut = 3.2 million cap hit

Those cap hit numbers are the actually numbers from his contract. He will be owed 18 million (not counting the signing bonus) over the last three years of that deal from 2013-2015. So cutting him before 2012, 2013 and 2014 will be big hit to the team cap wise. (That's a huge cap hit for one player)

Delhomme was cut because it was a non cap year, other wise he would have played at least that season in Carolina. Cutting Delhomme hit the team for a 13 million dollar cap hit for that one season to cut him. In a capped season that cut wouldn't have happened.

We don't actually know the ends and outs of that contract. Just like Mike Vick didn't actually get a 100M deal. Philly can move on after next year from Vick. Only difference is the quirky stuff in Williams' contract hasn't had a need to come out yet.

I will say it again, Hurney did not give a RB a contract where we couldn't part w/ a 30+ year old RB.

[carpanfan96]

We don't actually know the ends and outs of that contract. Just like Mike Vick didn't actually get a 100M deal. Philly can move on after next year from Vick. Only difference is the quirky stuff in Williams' contract hasn't had a need to come out yet.

I will say it again, Hurney did not give a RB a contract where we couldn't part w/ a 30+ year old RB.

I'm not going off the base, just the Signing bonus which has already been paid. That's a known factor in his contract and those are the numbers from them. Those are the numbers the team would have to pay to cut him before each of those seasons started. 16 million over 5 years is 3.2 a pop, cut him and the rest of those years hit in the current year or the following seasons based on when he was cut.

The first and second years are known because of the Cap hit postings from the league.

3.5 million base in 2011 with 3.2 million bonus hit, 2012 5 million base (FG) with a 3.2 million hit. 2013-2015 is at least a 3.2 million hit based on his original singing bonus.

[CRA]

if we can financially get away from a 30, 31, 32 year old RB.......then we got big problems coming up. I am sure there is some stuff in DWill's contract that benefits Carolina if they need to cut ties w/ him.

you could break down Vick's contract the same way you did DeAngleo's.....doesn't mean Philly didn't look out for Philly though in the deal.

[pantherclaw]

Lots of people are bold behind a keyboard. Most are in junior high. Just think as an adult, you could act like you would in a room full of Panther fans, not talking crap under the guise of "I don't coddle"

so now you are accusing me of acting bold behind a keyboard, and talking poo.

It's obvious ya don't know me. Don't pretend ya know me from behind your monitor.

If ya don't like what i have to say, and how i say it...there is an ignore button. Use it, won't bother me.

[frash.exe]

I'm pretty direct. I don't sugar coat thing. I wish more people were direct.

A lot of people don't like direct people, and will take them as being assholes, or having attitude.

I don't coddle those people.

you also abuse your children and brag about it on the internet

a model citizen you are

[ed bell]

I hope Stewart will stay and get paid......and DeAngelo will be right there at least through 2014. Williams will turn 31 on April 25th, 2014 at the start of year 4 of the 5 year deal. I think he can make it there and ease on out from that point as a career long Panther.

LaDainian Tomlinson spent 9 years on the Chargers and took a full beating during that time from his rookie season moving forward. His last two seasons were marred by chronic injuries and a poor YPC average.

DeAngelo has completed his 6th season on Carolina's squad, has completed year one of the new 5-year deal and thrived in the third season of essentially sharing the load most RB's shoulder on their own. He has essentially maintained a 5+ YPC average in every season and had only one short window of injury.

He can reach the same 9 year tenure LaDainian had with one year remaining on a contract he signed last year. Whether he stays here up to, or beyond that point, who knows? I expect he is capable of getting there and living up to expectations.

Funny thing, quite a few here fully expected that he wouldn't perform, or stay injury free this year. I think he did everything you would expect from a premier RB while staying off the injury report even if he didn't get the ball nearly as often as you would see a feature back carrying the load. I even think he may have been receiving more reps in the second half of the season than he saw in the first half. The complaints now seem to be centered on contract/cap money instead of performance. That's fine, and I'm glad about that. I expect him to remain here and add to the Double Trouble combo just like he has always done. I also expect the offensive game planners to utilize what they now know they have. It's a powerful tool.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

The complaints now seem to be centered on contract/cap money instead of performance.

the complaints have always been about contract/cap money despite performance.

i believe people still have missed the ripple effect of the contract carolina gave williams.

they overpaid for him. period.

carolina didn't give williams (or johnson) and chance to sniff free agency. they jumped headfirst into the pool without waiting for it to fill with water. they threw out the biggest number they could come up with so neither would think twice about shopping around. i can understand this tactic with johnson because there wasn't a player to fill his void should he leave....but there was absolutely no reason to do this with williams. if williams really wanted to stay in carolina as advertised, they simply could have let him test FA and topped the best offer.

it would have been no where near what they paid him.

proof...adrian peterson and minnesota had come to an agreement to wait until this season was over to discuss a new contract. but after williams recieved his monster contract, they were forced to negotiate asap. why? williams's contract bumped the pay scale for all the feature backs in the league who were in line to recieve new contracts...full time RBs who rightfully deserved to be making more than williams. if minnesota waited until the end of the season and allowed other RBs to ink contracts based off what williams was making, they would have had to pay him more than the $100 million they gave him.

because peterson is the undisputed best RB in the league (and has been for quite some time, regardless of what is said on the huddle) and no one can argue that he shouldn't be the highest paid, his contract put a lid on and prevented a ridiculous pay scale set by carolina's contract to williams from getting even more out of hand.

here's the kicker...carolina can't pay stewart less than what they paid williams. look for stewart to make at least in the $45-50 million range to stay on the roster to start with....and williams won't be asked to restructure. that would be carolina admitting they fugged up when they gave him the contract. stewart is now playing for a new contract from here on out. if he blows up, carolina is in trouble because his demand and price will go up.

i agree with CRA. there has to be something in williams's contract that we from the outside looking in don't see. his contract hurt the cap for this season and the next. and stewart's new contract based on what williams has been paid will hurt another 2-3 seasons beyond that...and that's the part i don't think people see.

[carpanfan96]

Williams was reportedly offered over 35 million from both Miami and Denver, so yes Carolina just topped the offers on the market for him. It's known that he had at least 3 substantial offers. over the last 4 years, he's 4th or 5th in rushing td's, the only player to average 5.0 yards per carry and is 1st or 2nd in the NFL in rushing plays over 20+ during that period.