Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

[Cat'sGrowl]

Have you ever even watched Devon Still?

[rayzor]

Have you ever even watched Devon Still?

yeah...and he's pretty good for a couple quarters. where as brockers looks like he starts slow and builds momentum through the game, still looks like he's doing a good job of dealing with double teams the first 2 and a half quarters towards the end of the game he looks like kemo just taking up blockers and as the game goes on lacks a push. i also don't see him keep up the pursuit the way brockers does. looks like he gives up on plays quicker.

both are solid against the run. brockers is better against the pass though. he's got more moves from what i can see and the thing i really like about brockers is he does a good job of getting a hand up and jumping to try and block than still who does that rarely.

i think brockers is quicker and does a better job of getting around blockers.

i think still is fine, but he's just not someone that i think could play more than a couple downs all game. he'll start off being ok with 3 downs but as the game wears on he wears down. i just don't see that with brockers.

still is an ok first round pick, but he's just nothing spectacular and i don't see him as being a particularly dominating force or much of a game changer. i also don't see the potential for growth in him that i do guys like brockers and poe. i think both those guys have more of an upside.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I wasn't talking to you or anyone suggesting we take Brockers. I'm currently of the persuasion Brockers is the best DT prospect on the board and a viable prospect for us.

I mocked Still going to us back in early November or so, after aniticipating we'd be picking around this spot. That was also with the anticipation that he would break out and have a dominant game and establish himself as a top flight candidate and he never did. If he's not busy being "meh" on the field he's busy being injured off of it.

[rayzor]

I wasn't talking to you or anyone suggesting we take Brockers. I'm currently of the persuasion Brockers is the best DT prospect on the board and a viable prospect for us.

I mocked Still going to us back in early November or so, after aniticipating we'd be picking around this spot. That was also with the anticipation that he would break out and have a dominant game and establish himself as a top flight candidate and he never did. If he's not busy being "meh" on the field he's busy being injured off of it.

gotcha.

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yeah...and he's pretty good for a couple quarters. where as brockers looks like he starts slow and builds momentum through the game, still looks like he's doing a good job of dealing with double teams the first 2 and a half quarters towards the end of the game he looks like kemo just taking up blockers and as the game goes on lacks a push. i also don't see him keep up the pursuit the way brockers does. looks like he gives up on plays quicker.

both are solid against the run. brockers is better against the pass though. he's got more moves from what i can see and the thing i really like about brockers is he does a good job of getting a hand up and jumping to try and block than still who does that rarely.

i think brockers is quicker and does a better job of getting around blockers.

i think still is fine, but he's just not someone that i think could play more than a couple downs all game. he'll start off being ok with 3 downs but as the game wears on he wears down. i just don't see that with brockers.

still is an ok first round pick, but he's just nothing spectacular and i don't see him as being a particularly dominating force or much of a game changer. i also don't see the potential for growth in him that i do guys like brockers and poe. i think both those guys have more of an upside.

When you talk about Devon wearing down, keep in mind Brockers is playing with a better cast where as Penn State has Still, Jordan Hill and that's about it. He is also better than "solid" against the run. That is his strongest attribute, and he is considered bar-none the best run stuffer in the draft.

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I wasn't talking to you or anyone suggesting we take Brockers. I'm currently of the persuasion Brockers is the best DT prospect on the board and a viable prospect for us.

I mocked Still going to us back in early November or so, after aniticipating we'd be picking around this spot. That was also with the anticipation that he would break out and have a dominant game and establish himself as a top flight candidate and he never did. If he's not busy being "meh" on the field he's busy being injured off of it.

Has'nt Missed a game in two straight years. His last injury was a fluke that he worked hard to rehab just so he could make his debut late in the 2008 season, basically losing a year of eligibility just to play a couple of snaps with his teammates(character). 50+ tackles, 17 tfl, 4.5 sacks, all big east/all american, is not "meh". Try again

Have you even watched Devon Still play?

[Cat'sGrowl]

In addition to his major injury, he has also had multiple injuries to his feet this year alone.

Let's ask ourselves Panther fans, do we want to risk doing this with another player.

[rayzor]

i didn't say that his game against the run wasn't his strongest attribute. and i will admit that he was considered the best run stuffer in the draft. brockers is giving him a run for the money in that category.

that would have been the only advantage he has over brockers, though and even if he has one, it's nominal.

against the pass, brockers is significantly better. i think he'll see more PT than still would just because of that and that makes him more valuable.

when the combine comes is when you will really see brockers blow still away. i think still will give a respectable showing, but brockers and poe will probably impress more and may end up passing him by in the draft.

[Yaboychris28]

I will be upset if we take a DT with our first pick

[rayzor]

I will be upset if we take a DT with our first pick

if you look at it as just another DT, then i can understand.

if what you are getting is a phenomenal athlete and player and a game changer that will anchor the middle of the Dline for years...i just don't see how you could be upset.

fua and mcclain could be solid in rotation and one of them may be a starter, but if we can get someone that talented and he's legitimately the BPA and it's for a position that we aren't particularly strong at i don't see how you can be upset or pass it up.

btw...there's only a couple DTs in this draft i like. only go for the guy if he's the BPA.

[Cat'sGrowl]

There is nothing Still could do to wrestle away the best DT in this draft away from Brockers in my mind.

The desparity between the two's potential is too great. You don't draft players in the top 10 who are "solid contributors" or "nice roleplayers." Brockers has elite potential. Still fits the two previous mention labels. It's Brockers in the first or no DT at all in that round.

[rayzor]

There is nothing Still could do to wrestle away the best DT in this draft away from Brockers in my mind.

The desparity between the two's potential is too great. You don't draft players in the top 10 who are "solid contributors" or "nice roleplayers." Brockers has elite potential. Still fits the two previous mention labels. It's Brockers in the first or no DT at all in that round.

agreed, though if we traded back i wouldn't be upset taking poe.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Poe would be nice in the second but I really want to address the secondary in that round. Lots of first round talent will be available in the secondary when we make our second selection.

2.

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yep. the dude is just flat tenacious. he's like a pit bull that just keeps attacking.

he does a really good job of watching the QB while he's pushing back and trying to pop the ball out of the air when it's thrown. great against the run as well. nice reach.

yea he's got those calais campbell tendencies (a high vertical base). Ask any fan in the nfc west how many times this guy bats passes down at the line.

iunno this could be important since we have a 6'0'' QB in our division that's near unstoppable.

Honestly I'm starting to like him more than Kirkpatrick.