Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

[carpanfan96]

That is true on running plays. But at least in the Arkansas game (don't know if this is true for all their games), he was off the field for all obvious passing situations. Once Arkansas fell behind later in the game, you never saw Brockers back in there.

What to make of this? It just leaves a question mark. It would be nice to see him have the opportunity to collapse the pocket and get after the QB in obvious passing situations. Maybe someone who has watched a lot of LSU this year can fill in the blanks on how he did in those situations, or if he even got the opportunity.

And that is damn important with teams passing more than running in the NFL.

Adding Brockers to the team because of his pass rush and thinking he's going to be able to provide some pass rushing ability is a mistake. That's not what Brockers does, he doesn't have the technique to be a major pass rush threat. When rushing the passer, he's usually completely stonewalled and stopped with initial contact with the lineman. He could develop a pass rush, but he doesn't have it yet. Nor has he shown the ability to rush the passer. 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 27 games.

[DaCityKats]

Adding Brockers to the team because of his pass rush and thinking he's going to be able to provide some pass rushing ability is a mistake. That's not what Brockers does, he doesn't have the technique to be a major pass rush threat. When rushing the passer, he's usually completely stonewalled and stopped with initial contact with the lineman. He could develop a pass rush, but he doesn't have it yet. Nor has he shown the ability to rush the passer. 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 27 games.

so why you think the other guys are getting to the QB?why is the pocket collapsing, and QBs cant step up into the pocket? why you think QBs are just throwing the ball into coverage, it's because of the havoc this guy is making. it's not all about hurries and sacks, those things will come with experience. this team needs a DT that will kill and push the pocket more than anything.

[DaCityKats]

If that kid flies under the radar..might not be a good late round quality type of player. Unless of course he is highly rated already..and isn't a sleeper.

i doubt he is flying under radar now

[Yaboychris28]

I'd rather have coples than Brockers anyday. Lsu d-linemen never translate well in the NFL. You guys tend to forget that. 90% of you guys didnt know who Brockers was 2 weeks ago and now you want to take him with our first pick? WOW, mind=blown

[DaCityKats]

well i must be apart of the 10% than. just because you dont say something about a guy on the huddle, doesnt mean you dont know who they are until 2 weeks ago. the draft process is still young, he will shoot up draft boards.

[cdandi1]

I don't think it is people didn't know about him..it was because it was a big suprise that he declared. He was a RS Soph this year.

[Lout]

Still is better than Brockers (right now).. he did get 2 more years in college than Brockers. Many scouts believe that Still has pretty much reached a ceiling, while Brockers has so much room to grow as a player. Still would make the more immediate impact on our Dline, however. I think Frank Kearse is a lot like Brockers tbh.. he is 6'5" 315lbs.. very similar build to Brockers.. very strong against the run, with raw pass rush ability. Kearse was recruited by Georgia, but decided to goto small school Alabma A&M because they showed more interest.. Kearse is an SEC talent, and just happened to fall down boards due to his level of competition. Kearse did not start playing DT until he got to college, (originally recruited as Oline). So he is still very raw and improving rapidly. If we draft Brockers, we will have two identical players.. not saying that's a bad thing, but you would also like to have some diversity.

[DaCityKats]

not the same player Kearse is a NT, and Brockers is a 3 tech.Brockers is 310 and Kearse is 325.

[kdrh5]

I guess I'm in the minority because I like Brockers and Still. I'm thinking Brock at 8 or 9, Still of we trade diwn. Win win.

[rayzor]

Adding Brockers to the team because of his pass rush and thinking he's going to be able to provide some pass rushing ability is a mistake. That's not what Brockers does, he doesn't have the technique to be a major pass rush threat. When rushing the passer, he's usually completely stonewalled and stopped with initial contact with the lineman. He could develop a pass rush, but he doesn't have it yet. Nor has he shown the ability to rush the passer. 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 27 games.

didn't mean to pie you. meant to quote you.

not a pass rusher? that's not what he does? where you getting that from?

judging a DT's effectiveness by sack totals and QB pressures is a pretty incomplete and lazy way that leaves you with the wrong perception you are having of him.

[Lout]

not the same player Kearse is a NT, and Brockers is a 3 tech.Brockers is 310 and Kearse is 325.

Brockers played NT at LSU in a 4-3, and he excels at stuffing the run. It looks like Kearse was 315 when he got drafted.. so he gained 10lbs since then. He almost always lined up at the 1-tech opposite the Center at LSU.. I am sure he could play the 1-tech, the 3-tech, and 5-tech in the pros.. he is very diverse.

[Lout]

didn't mean to pie you. meant to quote you.

not a pass rusher? that's not what he does? where you getting that from?

judging a DT's effectiveness by sack totals and QB pressures is a pretty incomplete and lazy way that leaves you with the wrong perception you are having of him.

Brockers is very raw at pass rushing in the technical aspect. Brockers best asset is stopping the run. He does disrupt plays in the pass game, but he will never be a guy like a Suh that gets to the QB. We are looking at a John Henerson type player that will get you between 4-6 sacks per year.. but his major contributions will be in the run game. He does have the ability to get his arms up and get a push on the pocket to disrupt the QB.. but the high sack numbers will not be there. That's not his game. But, he will be able to pressure the QB by collapsing the middle of the pocket and getting in the QBs face. It will be very helpful against guys like Drew Brees who have trouble seeing over the Oline to begin with.. it should result in more INT's and incomplete passes.. stats that you can't really track to Brockers.

[HeatCheck]

Brockers played NT at LSU in a 4-3, and he excels at stuffing the run. It looks like Kearse was 315 when he got drafted.. so he gained 10lbs since then. Brockers is most certainly not a 3-tech. Lol. He always lined up at the 1-tech opposite the Center.

Dude, he is a 3 technique, lines up on the outside shoulder of the guard. He isn't big enough to play 1 technique.

EDIThttp://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35292&stc=1&d=1326912693

[rayzor]

Brockers is very raw at pass rushing in the technical aspect. Brockers best asset is stopping the run. He does disrupt plays in the pass game, but he will never be a guy like a Suh that gets to the QB. We are looking at a John Henerson type player that will get you between 4-6 sacks per year.. but his major contributions will be in the run game. He does have the ability to get his arms up and get a push on the pocket to disrupt the QB.. but the high sack numbers will not be there. That's not his game. But, he will be able to pressure the QB by collapsing the middle of the pocket and getting in the QBs face. It will be very helpful against guys like Drew Brees who have trouble seeing over the Oline to begin with.. it should result in more INT's and incomplete passes.. stats that you can't really track to Brockers.

well said. said it better than i did.

that is exactly what i'm hoping for and expecting.

what he does is stop the run (something we need desperately), put pressure on the QB by collapsing the pocket, and drawing more attention from blockers. the end result is making everyone else's job easier. the DEs and blitzers will have more access and freedom to get to the QB. the secondary won't have to cover their assignments for so long. the QB will be pressured to get rid of the ball quicker and will be more prone to make mistakes. the fact that he gets his hand up so often when the QB is throwing just makes him more effective in causing headaches for the QB.

i don't care how many sacks the DT gets as long as he brings chaos to the pocket and can get the RB.

add to all this that he is solid as a STer and can block kicks makes him even more valuable.