J-Stew - What do we do?

[rayzor]

We are not a running team. We are a passing team. The offense revolves around Cam Newton....NOT around the running game.

why? most of Newton's yardage isn't from designed runs. Majorty is scrambling yardage. The designed stuff outside of the goaline stuff is again his passing threat setting up his rushes.

did i say we were a running team? nope. i said have the most dominant run game in NFL history.

we can still be pass heavy and run the ball better than anyone. we won't have the most carries, but we'll do the most with them and our run game will get in the history books.

when your primary ball carriers, including your QB, carries the ball for 5.5+ a pop and you are the 3rd ranked team in rushing yards per game...you're going to have a dominant run game.

btw....this carolina passing team was 23rd on passing attempts, 18th in completions, and 13th in passing yards per game.

we ran the ball 445 times this year, and passed the ball 519 times (312 completed passes). the balance has shifted over to the passing game more, but we still have one of the best run games in the league. that won't change and it shouldn't. it ain't broke and it is actually working spectacularly well. no need to change it. just build around it.

[CarolinaNCSU]

If somebody offered a 1st rd pick, yeah, you probably think hard about it. But nobody is going to do that. In the end, he will stay here (I hope).

[The_Mango55]

"QB driven team" and "Passing team" are two different things. We are still a rushing team, and have arguably the best rushing attack in the league Cam is about 1/3 of that but not all of it.

Most of cam's rushing touchdowns, and a few of his passing touchdowns, have been possible because of having 2 other great options in the backfield not allowing the defense to key in on any one player.

I'm not going to argue about whether giving Williams a big contract was a good idea or not, because that's already happened. The thread is about what to do with Stewart and IMO we should keep him.

[bleys]

CRA is trying to say we're a passing team now. I was contradicting him.

He literally said that suggesting we maximize the strength of our run game makes one John Fox.

If that's not "fug a run game" I don't know what is.

ah, I knew I shouldn't have jumped into this convo..

but I did and here's a simple answer for everyone: Rivera's philosophy is to run when we want and pass when we want.

both are vital and both are necessary. both also help the other.

run 1st team usually means: run 1st, run 2nd, pass 3rd.. which is usually a power running game.

pass 1st usually means they pass to set up the run...

Rivera wants to do whichever the defense gives him. if they are trying to stop the pass, run. if they are trying to stop the run, pass... whatever the opposing teams gameplan is, Rivera wants to be able to efficiently do the opposite without worry.

"QB driven team" and "Passing team" are two different things. We are still a rushing team, and have arguably the best rushing attack in the league Cam is about 1/3 of that but not all of it.

I think the problem in this conversation is "rushing team" doesn't necessarily mean the traditional run 1st mentality Fox brought to Carolina.

We run a lot out of shotgun, misdirection, and option plays.. that's not a typical power running game, although we can do that as well...

our running philosophy has changed despite our success at running the ball.. I think that's where the point of view's are conflicting..

[Lout]

Stewart will want a sizeable contract.. we'd need to either make DWill take a pay decrease or cut him. Re-sign J-Stew.. we can't pay two RBs that type of money.

[CRA]

did i say we were a running team? nope. i said have the most dominant run game in NFL history.

we can still be pass heavy and run the ball better than anyone. we won't have the most carries, but we'll do the most with them and our run game will get in the history books.

when your primary ball carriers, including your QB, carries the ball for 5.5+ a pop and you are the 3rd ranked team in rushing yards per game...you're going to have a dominant run game.

btw....this carolina passing team was 23rd on passing attempts, 18th in completions, and 13th in passing yards per game.

we ran the ball 445 times this year, and passed the ball 519 times (312 completed passes). the balance has shifted over to the passing game more, but we still have one of the best run games in the league. that won't change and it shouldn't. it ain't broke and it is actually working spectacularly well. no need to change it. just build around it.

I wouldn't say we have the most dominant run game in NFL history....definately not in the traditional aspect of what running the football means.

I know the football outsider stat.....we have that stat b/c we have a unique QB that the NFL has never seen yet.

The football outsider stat has more to do with Cam Newton than Double Trouble. Him being added into the equation is the biggest piece. One of the RBs is MUCH MUCH easier to replace and keep the run game strong. Don't need to heavily invest there anymore with how the team is being built.

Cam Newton ultimately set it all up this year. That is the point. Don't need Double Trouble. Just need RBs who fit what we do. Not worth paying 2 RBs. We need to pay 1. Money should be used elsewhere.......and now Hurney has put us in another poor scenario. Shouldn't of paid DWill that fat deal.

[rayzor]

i don't care how you label it.

we have one of the best run games in the league and we are close to having one of the best passing games in the league. we are close to having the best and most complete offenses in the NFL.

imo, you build on that. you build on what we have and build around the strengths we have without taking any parts away.

that is what you do to become the best in the league.

[rayzor]

I wouldn't say we have the most dominant run game in NFL history....definately not in the traditional aspect of what running the football means.

I know the football outsider stat.....we have that stat b/c we have a unique QB that the NFL has never seen yet.

The football outsider stat has more to do with Cam Newton than Double Trouble. Him being added into the equation is the biggest piece. One of the RBs is MUCH MUCH easier to replace and keep the run game strong. Don't need to heavily invest there.

i don't think e have the most dominant one in history yet, but we will.

as far as tradition goes...it's getting thrown out the window. what the panthers are doing now is setting the stage for the future in the league. your run game will include your true dual threat QB that is both a solid passer and runner.

i don't think the run game would be as effective with lesser RBs, btw. it would work, but it works better with the guys we have now.

[rayzor]

oh...also agreed on williams contract, but what you gonna do? no sense in griping about it. he's here nd he'll be here for several more years (hopefully). he fits what we're doing. if contract becomes a problem, you restructure it. until then you just ride it and build around it and be glad that you have three elite rushers on your team.

[Gazi]

Days of giving a 1st rounder for a RB are long gone.

[CRA]

"QB driven team" and "Passing team" are two different things. We are still a rushing team, and have arguably the best rushing attack in the league Cam is about 1/3 of that but not all of it.

Most of cam's rushing touchdowns, and a few of his passing touchdowns, have been possible because of having 2 other great options in the backfield not allowing the defense to key in on any one player.

I'm not going to argue about whether giving Williams a big contract was a good idea or not, because that's already happened. The thread is about what to do with Stewart and IMO we should keep him.

We are not a running team. Just b/c you did something well....doesn't make you a "X" team.

also, in our current scheme......Cam is responsible for setting up most of the rushing. Everthing revolves around him and his dual threat.

[TheOracle]

If Hurney lets him get away, he should be fired immediately.

[Guest Bwood15]

Dude Snoop is just one of those guys thats a Panther for life..

[jramsey4]

I know I will get serious hate for this but I would trade him and sign Hillis (assuming we could get him for reasonable amount). I see no way we resign Stewart after the contract we just gave Dwill. It would be nice to get something in return out of him (a 2nd is within the realm of possibility). Hillis was a beast last year and he could make a rebound with the strong supporting cast we have. This is assuming he doesn't command an arm and a leg.