Bears ST coach Dave Toub

[Swarly]

..is currently unemployed.

Obviously ST was a nightmare and has been for quite a while(yes I'm aware we had some serious depth issues due to injuries to our starters but still...) and it has to be looked at.

Apparently the Bears low balled Dave Toub(didn't even offer him enough money to put him in the top 10 in the NFL for ST coaches) so he is exploring his options now. I just read he's interviewing for the Miami HC job but there is virtually 0% chance he lands that.

I hope we at least give him a look. Would be a GREAT hire.

[PhillyB]

hell yeah. bears special teams are top of the line. if we got him it'd be an instant upgrade.

i'm also willing to bet he'd want a stud KR to work with, which would make going after ginn jr. in free agency a realistic possibility. pilares is decent but we can do much better.

[PhillyB]

frankly the more players or coaches we can rip the bears off on the happier i'll be.

[Swarly]

hell yeah. bears special teams are top of the line. if we got him it'd be an instant upgrade.

i'm also willing to bet he'd want a stud KR to work with, which would make going after ginn jr. in free agency a realistic possibility. pilares is decent but we can do much better.

the thing about the Bears ST is.. everyone thinks it's all due to Hester, but their blocking is fuging phenomenal and their coverage is insane. They were #2 in the league this year at 5.4 yards per punt return allowed compared to our 13.3 yards allowed per punt. WOW, I didn't realize it was THAT bad hahaahaha

[jtnc]

I really hope we take a look at this guy.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Special teams improved GREATLY over the year. Especially in the second half. You can make all the coaching changes you want but at the end of the day, it has a lot to do with the personnel you have on your ST units.

[Guest Irv]

Special teams improved GREATLY over the year. Especially in the second half. You can make all the coaching changes you want but at the end of the day, it has a lot to do with the personnel you have on your ST units.

Exactly, If the guys on special teams are dumbfugs then their gonna make the ST coach look like a dumb fug. Its all about execution and knowing your damn assignment when it comes to special teams. The ST coach can only lead them in the right direction its up the players to believe in what he's teaching.

[Marguide]

Exactly, If the guys on special teams are dumbfugs then their gonna make the ST coach look like a dumb fug. Its all about execution and knowing your damn assignment when it comes to special teams. The ST coach can only lead them in the right direction its up the players to believe in what he's teaching.

So you are saying the coach doesn't matter? I'm putting my application in tomorrow to all 32 teams!

Seriously, coaches do make a difference. Give Scotty O'Brien and Danny Crossman the same rosters and you would see totally different results.

I don't think Rivera makes any changes in staff, but to say Toub would not make a difference is wrong, imo.

[Brokenbad]

Is there a Toub/Rivera connection?

I can't remember.

[Dpantherman]

How many special teams coaches do we have to go through before you folks put 2 and 2 together and realize that isn't the problem??

[rayzor]

coaching isn't the only problem, but it's a major one. it has been for years.

toub is one of the best and we need to jump on that.

[csx]

It's not going to make a difference without better special teams players.

[Catalyst]

I'd throw a ton of cash at him, but we also hired a former assistant of his last year and that might make him not want to come here if the move would end up demoting/putting one of his former assistants out of work.

[rayzor]

It's not going to make a difference without better special teams players.

hiring toub would be step 1. then letting him help you pick the ST guys you need.

we need to clean house and rebuild it on STs.