RG3 should be the first pick...

[footballisasport]

lol k

A. Luck 27/31 347 yards 11.2 average, 2TDs 1INT

70% completion percentage for the year, nearly 4 to 1 TDs to INTs and a 170 QB rating. That's a better statistical year than Elway ever had at Stanford.

Wait a minute...wasn't The Golden Calf of Bristol close to that 170 QB rating when he wasn't thowing the ball much either? What happened when Tim actually threw the ball? Yeah, we remember. Sorry sometimes QB ratings aren't always telling the full story.

Luck is more over-hyped than even The Golden Calf of Bristol is. I can see him needing receivers and being well coached up to get his team to a decent winning season. But the media will be still pushing him, "as the next great qb" as they start looking for their next great QB to hype..

Luck=Clausen with more excuses made for his weaknesses because he is strongly back by the media and so called draft experts.

[footballisasport]

=Ken;3513060]Well I've seen Luck play enough times to know that he is incredibly smart & a great leader too.

And so is RG III.

The arm strength thing, well as you said he doesn't have any great receivers so its kinda hard to judge. very accurate most of the times I've seen him but haven't seen enough to know how great he is at throwing deep.

If Luck needs receivers to make him look good, then why is he chosen at number 1? I thought being chosen as number one meant you can offer the help team needed right away. Not needing the team to help you look shine.

On the "sure thing" I can't say 100% on anyone but I think he'll be good in the NFL. Will he be a multiple pro bowler with multiple SB rings? I'm not sure about that.

Peyton was hyped by the media and he only won 1 ring in 12 years. Tom Brady was decently hyped and has three rings in 11 yearas. Rodger, Brees, and even Eli also share that 1 SB ring honor as Peyton, and did it in less time. And out of those three, only Eli was just as media hyped as his brother.

RG3 has a bigger upside but is potentially "risky".

What makes him more risky than Luck?

Luck provides less risk & is the kinda guy who can stabilize your team immediately that's why he's hyped so much, though as time went on it went out of hand.[/

Again, what are you basing all of that on?

[footballisasport]

RG3 has some challenges whereas Luck is clean from top to bottom. On the field, off the field he just has everything you look for.

Hmmmmm...Really? The only challenges I see RG III having are the ones created by our media and their usual never-ending questions when a black QB starts challenging someone they have praised and chosen as the "next great QB."

Damn, one wonders when one would wake up and see how often this road has been traveled on but I guess not because ignorance will always be bliss.

[GamecockSmitty4]

Hmmmmm...Really? The only challenges I see RG III having are the ones created by our media and their usual never-ending questions when a black QB starts challenging someone they have praised and chosen as the "next great QB."

Damn, one wonders when one would wake up and see how often this road has been traveled on but I guess not because ignorance will always be bliss.

Get ready for the personal attacks. That guy throws out his opinion on everything and anyone who challenges it is not as smart as him.

[Ken]

@footballisasport Luck is less "risky" than RG3 because he plays in a pro style offense. He's very good pre-snap & controls the entire offense on field. He also can make most "NFL type" throws. He's also has the intangibles like leadership etc. He is also mobile enough to extend plays inside the pocket or run a bit outside the pocket. He has no real injury concerns either.

I am not saying RG3 is a risky high pick BUT that he caries more of a risk than Luck. He plays in more of a spread system, which will means there will ALWAYS be questions if he can translate into a pro style one.(though I'm very confident he will have no problems with that). He is very good, no tremendous throwing deep, the best that most have ever seen on the college level. Some has questions his intermediate accuracy but from what I've seen he has no problems with that. He has suffered a major injury early in his college career but he has come back from it a better player so I don't think that's a negative. He isn't the most muscular in terms of pounds/muscle & since he runs more that the average QB, there is risk that he'll be injured. I personally don't buy into that but as a GM you consider that. RG3 is very, very smart and has very good intangibles as well.

So Luck IS the safer pick but not by much and as I said RG3 has a greater chance at being elite than Luck.

[RedMage138]

Wait a minute...wasn't The Golden Calf of Bristol close to that 170 QB rating when he wasn't thowing the ball much either? What happened when Tim actually threw the ball? Yeah, we remember. Sorry sometimes QB ratings aren't always telling the full story.

Luck is more over-hyped than even The Golden Calf of Bristol is. I can see him needing receivers and being well coached up to get his team to a decent winning season. But the media will be still pushing him, "as the next great qb" as they start looking for their next great QB to hype..

Luck=Clausen with more excuses made for his weaknesses because he is strongly back by the media and so called draft experts.

Luck had more attempts than RG3 this year, but good try though.

[charlotte49er]

Where is the NFL Combine held? Indianapolis. :D

That's thanks to Bill Polian!

[Jackofalltrades]

Get ready for the personal attacks. That guy throws out his opinion on everything and anyone who challenges it is not as smart as him.

That guy? Lol, you don't know a thing about me. Calling you ignorant isn't a personal attack, it's simply stating the obvious.

My qualms with RG3 are nothing more than his height and coming from a spread system.

Don't play the race card, it's worn out and has nothing to do with my argument.

[MHS831]

That guy? Lol, you don't know a thing about me. Calling you ignorant isn't a personal attack, it's simply stating the obvious.

My qualms with RG3 are nothing more than his height and coming from a spread system.

Don't play the race card, it's worn out and has nothing to do with my argument.

Cam aftermath. THe conference he played in scored a kajillion points because defense is optional. The spread is fool's gold for anyone measuring WRs and QBs. Griffin has physical limitations. Yes, he had some good games and he is a special college player, but Luck is so much less risky it is not close. RGIII has more of a chance to bust in the NFL than succeed. Luck will succeed. It is just a matter of this-will he simply be a pro bowl QB, or will luck be a first-ballot hall of famer? RGIII could be a bust or a pro bowl QB. THat is the difference.

[mav1234]

there are a million and a half ways Luck could still easily fail in the NFL, but that doesn't change that he is a better prospect than RG3... or at least it seemed that way to me for most of the season, despite how good RG3 has looked.

[chef17]

Wait a minute...wasn't The Golden Calf of Bristol close to that 170 QB rating when he wasn't thowing the ball much either? What happened when Tim actually threw the ball? Yeah, we remember. Sorry sometimes QB ratings aren't always telling the full story.

Luck is more over-hyped than even The Golden Calf of Bristol is. I can see him needing receivers and being well coached up to get his team to a decent winning season. But the media will be still pushing him, "as the next great qb" as they start looking for their next great QB to hype..

Luck=Clausen with more excuses made for his weaknesses because he is strongly back by the media and so called draft experts.

:rofl: Please explain this one

[GamecockSmitty4]

That guy? Lol, you don't know a thing about me. Calling you ignorant isn't a personal attack, it's simply stating the obvious.

My qualms with RG3 are nothing more than his height and coming from a spread system.

Don't play the race card, it's worn out and has nothing to do with my argument.

....

You're not real bright, are ya?

I'm not trying to back track anything, it's your feeble mind that is trying to turn my statement into something it isn't.

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Try again.

[Jackofalltrades]

They're synonyms, look it up.

Read the Galileo quote in my sig. If that doesn't work read Panther55's.

[JawnyBlaze]

if you believe that you aren't looking at the big picture there.

that coach change happened every year. there was no time to get used to an offensive scheme or system because it kept changing every year. there was no continuity. there was no effort by any of them to develop him as a QB.

this is the first coaching staff to really put anything into him.

I don't mean "bad" by marginal, I mean middle of the pack. Which is an improvement for him, but he's not a top 10 QB or anything. He did get a better coach, but the coach made the whole team better, the 49ers getting better wasn't due to Smith's improvement, it was due to the coach improving the whole team.