RG3 should be the first pick...

[GamecockSmitty4]

Who said anything about character issues?

This isn't a fight you want to pick.

OK then...what are these "challenges" you are referring to? What exactly does he not have on the field or OFF the field that Luck does?

Good try to backtrack.

[GamecockSmitty4]

Keep trying. there are plenty here that will bite

Fail

You just did.

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[chef17]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/30/putting-cam-newtons-rookie-season-in-perspective/

Nope. Will be over 4k passing with 20+ TD. 700 rushing and second in the league in rushing TD (including RB's) with 14. Ne QB has ever come close to anything like that. Even then, stats don't really show how he controls the game because of the miriad of things that he can do and he puts defenses in a bind. I don't know if you have ever played on defense but it is all read and react. The problem that cam presents is all of the reads that he forces you to make as a defender.

Look at the stats of the TB game and then watch the game. The stats don't tell the story. He makes this offense indefensable in that it is a deep passing/ prostyle/ inside zone option/triple option offense with a power running game. After all of that you have to worry about the QB scramble. Only QB in the league that can run it is Cam. How do you gameplan for that? Why do you think marginal recievers(excluding smitty) get so wide open. Usually when you get game film on a player you are able to limit him. Cam just gets better though because of all af the things that he does especially with the playbook expanding. If he plays the exact same way next year without the rookie int's that he threw he might pass for 5k and rush for near 1k because will will posess the ball more. HE BREAKS THE MOLD! Now the defense well...............

Being able to run and pass doesn't magically make his season better than others. This season alone Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Stafford all have better numbers. Add in Rodgers last season and Cam isn't even top 5 all time and that's only 2 seasons worth. Cam is having a fantastic season but it isn't even close to one of the best of all time.

[woco]

Being able to run and pass doesn't magically make his season better than others. This season alone Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Stafford all have better numbers. Add in Rodgers last season and Cam isn't even top 5 all time and that's only 2 seasons worth. Cam is having a fantastic season but it isn't even close to one of the best of all time.

You may be right. I may have used the wrong word. Instead of greatest, I should have said it was the most transcendent year ever. Cam has the ability to change what greatness is judged as. Passing for 4k and rushing for 1k is better than passing for 5k because it becomes impossible to prepare for. Cam throws a great deep ball so safeties have to stay on top of the receivers, taking them out of the box. Running option with safeties 20 yards back is the dimension that cam brings to the game that no other qb in this league does. It's like the choice of getting shot in the right arm or left arm. Either way, you still get shot. The paradigm for greatness in the NFL is the prototypical dropback passer. Cam shifts the paradigm.

[Jackofalltrades]

OK then...what are these "challenges" you are referring to? What exactly does he not have on the field or OFF the field that Luck does?

Good try to backtrack.

I'm not trying to back track anything, it's your feeble mind that is trying to turn my statement into something it isn't.

RGIII has a height issue to deal with, the one year at the top issue where Luck doesn't have anything to contend with at the moment. RGIII is squeeky clean character wise and he deserves everything he gets as a result of it, but Luck has the Pro Style offense, the Pedigree, and then all the good stuff RGIII has.

I'm a RGIII fan and that's not an easy thing to say as an OU fan. Part of me wants to see him in Washington because Shanny will put him to good use and utilize his talents, the other part of me wants him to go somewhere else because I don't think Shanny will be there all that long and I'd hate to see a guy like that wasted.

Now, please try to twist something I said here as racist, it's not like you're the only one that gets his kicks that way.

[carpanfan96]

Luck doesn't have elite arm strength. However, He can make the throws, but he's going to have to be Drew Bree's accurate to complete the harder NFL throws against NFL talent and speed.

What he does have is a very high football IQ, decent athleticism, leadership qualities and a prototypical NFL QB size.

[Jackofalltrades]

Disagree, he does not have elite arm strength, but he'll have no problem making tough throws or those that require extra velocity or distance.

[carpanfan96]

Disagree, he does not have elite arm strength, but he'll have no problem making tough throws or those that require extra velocity or distance.

I think you were taking it as me bashing him, but his arm isn't elite. For NFL standard wise, he's got a good arm. However he is Drew Bree's accurate with the ball because of his IQ and ability to read defenses, that's what makes him special.

It's not physical ability like Athleticism or arm strength. It's what he brings to the table mentally, combined with his above average athleticism and arm strength that make him such a special player.

[Jackofalltrades]

Agreed.

[woco]

Watch Luck tonight. I bet you wont get the impression that he is the best qb to come out since elway or anywhere close to it.

[RedMage138]

Watch Luck tonight. I bet you wont get the impression that he is the best qb to come out since elway or anywhere close to it.

lol k

A. Luck 27/31 347 yards 11.2 average, 2TDs 1INT

70% completion percentage for the year, nearly 4 to 1 TDs to INTs and a 170 QB rating. That's a better statistical year than Elway ever had at Stanford.

[g5jamz]

[woco]

lol k

A. Luck 27/31 347 yards 11.2 average, 2TDs 1INT

70% completion percentage for the year, nearly 4 to 1 TDs to INTs and a 170 QB rating. That's a better statistical year than Elway ever had at Stanford.

There is no doubt that he had a great game. It was his best game all year. My only question is did you see him complete 1 pass to a WR that had someone within 3 yards of him? Just 1 pass? Arm strength will show in the NFL. Could you imagine if he played LSU and the wr's were actually; I don't know the right word..................... oh Covered. Watch the southern cal game and see what happens when recievers are a little covered and he cant outrun a pathetic D line. Don't get me wrong. I think luck will be good. He just isn't has good as he is hyped to be. Ceiling is Romo or luck up and win a SB like eli manning. FYI RG3 went 33 of 50 for 425 against OSU.

[footballisasport]

Luck = 99% sure he'll be good-> great QB. Has a chance to be elite = safe bet = #1 pick

RGIII = 50/50 chance he'll be elite. 90% sure he'll be good. = a top 3-5 pick.

Most GMs will take Luck but RGIII isn't far behind. IF Luck wasn't there I'm sure RG3 would be 1st pick.

So what equation did you use to come up with your solution?