RG3 should be the first pick...

[g5jamz]

That game was ridiculous and an affront to anyone wanting to watch it and guage NFL level play.

RG3 was playing the role of Jeffy last night.

[NCstoner420]

That game was ridiculous and an affront to anyone wanting to watch it and guage NFL level play.

RG3 was playing the role of Jeffy last night.

It was the first game that I got to see him play and I didn't see anything that proves that he needs to be the 1st pick.

[GamecockSmitty4]

Honestly, what is it that makes RG3 a risky pick? The guy is smart and can make all of the throws. Plus, he can run but only does so when he has to. He's as accurate as anyone I've ever seen, especially on the deep ball. IMO, Luck is a riskier pick because of our experiment with Clausen. Luck should be better than Jimmy but he is Mr. Checkdown as well.

[woco]

I've been wondering why everyone is saying he is a risk too. He is deadly accurate, a gamer, super smart, and world class speed. Luck threw a pick in each of his last 5 games and didn't throw for 260 in his last 4 games in the Pac 10. I don't know why he is the sure thing. He doesn't impress me at all and I made sure to watch him every time he played. Throws rainbows and gets rattled when he gets hit.

As far as last nights bowl game, you can really say RG3 is good or bad because washington was horrible on D. Is sad because many people saw him for the first time last night and they may think its just a gimmick

[Woodie]

Well I've seen Luck play enough times to know that he is incredibly smart & a great leader too.

The arm strength thing, well as you said he doesn't have any great receivers so its kinda hard to judge. He's very accurate most of the times I've seen him but haven't seen enough to know how great he is at throwing deep.

On the "sure thing" I can't say 100% on anyone but I think he'll be good in the NFL. Will he be a multiple pro bowler with multiple SB rings? I'm not sure about that.

RG3 has a bigger upside but is potentially "risky".

Luck provides less risk & is the kinda guy who can stabilize your team immediately that's why he's hyped so much, though as time went on it went out of hand.

Luck has plenty of arm strength. The thing about Luck is he is a touch passer. He always tries to put whatever he needs to on the ball to make it as catchable as possible. But when he needs to put zip on it or power the ball to a receiver, he does so without any problem...even downfield. I think Luck is as much of a sure thing as you'll see coming out of college. But since there are no 100% guarantees, there's always a chance he won't work out, but I believe it is a miniscule chance.

[g5jamz]

Hopefully both Luck and RG3 will throw at the combine to put everyone's concerns to rest. Both on arm strength, touch, footwork, etc.

[Get_on_my_horse]

Luck is amazing and should be the no. 1 pick. The kid has preformed every season and has the skills to step in right away and be a star.

[Woodie]

Honestly, what is it that makes RG3 a risky pick? The guy is smart and can make all of the throws. Plus, he can run but only does so when he has to. He's as accurate as anyone I've ever seen, especially on the deep ball. IMO, Luck is a riskier pick because of our experiment with Clausen. Luck should be better than Jimmy but he is Mr. Checkdown as well.

To me, the biggest risk of RGIII is his size. I think he will be a good pro, but will he be big enough to see over the line or will he need to move around to find throwing lanes? How he adjusts to that will determine just how good he'll be, IMO. I also think he'll need a coaching staff that knows how to take advantage of his skill set, like we have Cam.

As for Luck, he's not captain checkdown. Stanford plays a west coast offense, so it is predicated on the short to intermediate throws. But Luck is very good whenever he does go downfield. One problem he's had this year is a lack of quality receivers, and the loss of Harbaugh was significant.

[g5jamz]

Luck is amazing and should be the no. 1 pick. The kid has preformed every season and has the skills to step in right away and be a star.

Anyone know the comparisons between RG3/Luck's college playbooks? Last year a lot of discussion was made about Harbaugh's system and how his playbook was extremely complex, but allowed Luck on-the-field complete leeway on what he sees. Example is in this blog entry on ESPN

http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/4330/shaw-continues-to-campaign-for-luck

... To say that Andrew is just a quarterback I think is misleading. Andrew doesn't go to the line of scrimmage, do a double count, then look to the sideline and get what play they should run. He does it all at the line of scrimmage. He's not a running back that runs good behind a good line. He's not just a receiver that goes out there and runs the plays that are called. This guy is at the line of scrimmage deciding which plays we should run."

After his national teleconference, he prepared a slide show for local media that was also streaming over the Internet to illustrate his points. He showed a very small portion of his call sheet and spit out a typical play call:

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"There are three play calls in there," Shaw explained. "He calls that in the huddle, then decides which of those plays to get us to. If none of those plays are good against the look that he sees, he audibles and gets us to a fourth play that he calls at the line. In my nine years in the NFL, I never scouted a guy, never heard of a guy that did this much at the line of scrimmage."

He cited stats -- the fact that Stanford leads the nation in fewest negative plays and credited that to Luck's ability to read the defense and call the right play and formation. He pointed to Luck in the red zone this season -- 26 touchdowns and zero interceptions, noting that Stanford leads the nation in red zone production because of Luck. He referenced that Luck is the only quarterback in college football history to go 3-0 against USC and Notre Dame in his career.

I honestly can't comment on RG3, because I just don't know. Quick searches yield stories like this:

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/12/23/2657604/questions-about-robert-griffin-iii-and-the-baylor-offense-arise

But as with Cam, it really comes down to the hard work ethic the kid may have to put what it takes into it and really succeed. I think Chud and Shula were huge pluses to Cam's development as a quarterback. I honestly feel that if John Fox had survived another year, we wouldn't have seen Cam's potential like we've witnesses. RG3 in the right setting may be a great QB. But everything that's out there right now says the Luck is the best QB to enter the NFL draft since Peyton or Elway. Two years running.

[Ruff]

I think that, with what we're seeing in San Francisco, Harbaugh can make even marginal QBs look good in his system.

Am I saying Luck is going to be marginal? No. But, with the transformation of Alex Smith, it makes you wonder if Harbaugh is just some sort of awesome QB coach.

Also, I think what makes RG3 a more special pick than Luck, he doesn't come with all of the family baggage. There's already reports of the Mannings and Lucks clashing in the media, and reports of Luck possibly pulling an Eli and demanding a trade if he doesn't want to go to the place that has the #1 pick.

I think that this year's combine is going to be one of the most interesting that we've seen in a long time, just because of these two guys.

[g5jamz]

if they throw and participate in all drills.

When someone's supposed to go that high and the possibility is only to drop, they choose not to.

I hope both man-up and do all the drills.

[Ruff]

if they throw and participate in all drills.

When someone's supposed to go that high and the possibility is only to drop, they choose not to.

I hope both man-up and do all the drills.

It's going to be interesting to see if RG3 goes through the drills and Luck doesn't, or vice versa. If one participates, I think they both probably will.

[NCstoner420]

To me, the biggest risk of RGIII is his size.

Size? He is bigger than both Vick and Brees by almost 3 inches. Out of the top 10 passers this year he is just as tall or taller than 4 players.

[woco]

I think lucks ceiling is Tony Romo or get lucky and win a SB like ELi. To me, the biggest problem is that he gets rattled when he gets hit. He doesn't have a great arm and all of the people saying he is the best prospect since elway are saying it because every analyst is saying "he is the best prospect since elway" If you saw both luck and RG3 play, who would you say is the most dominant if you didn't have preconceived notions about who is the best. Hell, Barkly looked better than luck when they played this year head up. To live up to the hype, luck would have to have a better season that cam had this year, which was not only the greatest season by a rookie by far, it was one of the greatest season by a quarterback ever!

The best way to sum up the hype behind luck is this. They said cam was not even in the same class as luck. They said luck was the perfect QB last year. I promise you he wont come close to what cam did in his rookie year. Nuff Said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!