Does anyone else want to see....

[The Link]

Like Jake?

You'll get no argument from me there. :biggrin:

[Epistaxis]

I'm not saying it is a guarantee that Cutler will excel.

The only thing I know is that he is the first real QB the Bears have had since Jimmy Mac.

First time they have no question about who is #1.

No question about whether or not the guy behind center can make all the throws, scramble to keep a play alive, and has the talent for a game winning drive.

This guy CAN win a game for the Bears.

The other QBs simply "managed" or "played within themselves".

F that noise. Bear fans have heard that for over 20 years.

[mantal]

There's no doubt that you got a good QB, the only question is the price, it was expensive. But you seem fine with that so enjoy...

[R0CKnR0LLA]

My prediction... Orton has a better year statistically in '09 than Cutler.

[Cardiac Cats86]

Culter will only be as good as the offence around him allows. The o-line is nothing like the one he had in Denver. However anyone with Forte behind them should beifit well from the attention he commands. But what about WR? Hester will def have to step up, or maybe Rashied Davis. and no #1 picks for two yrs.

Denver will come out better in the long run w/ Orton and those picks.

[thefuzz]

I think Orton would have a tougher time legitimately making the PB in the AFC than he would in the NFC..LEGITIMATELY. By legitimately, I mean NOT BY FAN VOTE.

You have only 2 real spots on the AFC squad because Manning will always be picked every single year and he always goes. So you have 15 QBs eligible for 2 spots. In the NFC is there even one guy like that? Nope. AFC QBs Orton will likely vie with will be Rivers, Roethilsberger. Possibly Edwards, Flacco and Penny. Maybe Brady. NFC, Romo (likely a fan vote special), Manning (ditto), Warner, McNabb, Brees, Rodgers, maybe Ryan. MAYBE Hass or Bulger but those are big maybes due to recent injury history.

This.

In the AFC you have Manning 1 and Ben as the popular vote getters, and Brady and Rivers killing the stat lines....Very tough to beat them out...on top of that if Palmer ever returns to form, you have him to contend with as well.

In the NFC you don't have the same situation.

[Fireball77]

LOL, after that post I made in the Ochocinco to the Illadelph thread about Palmer, I now realize I left him off my list in the AFC. My subconscious is agreeing with my conscious. He is coming off elbow issues though, so he would be iffy anyway like Brady might be iffy.

[thefuzz]

LOL, after that post I made in the Ochocinco to the Illadelph thread about Palmer, I now realize I left him off my list in the AFC. My subconscious is agreeing with my conscious. He is coming off elbow issues though, so he would be iffy anyway like Brady might be iffy.

I took care of it for you Fireball....

I am more worried about Palmer than Brady. Tom will have had almost a full year to recover from an ACL. Rivers tore his in December, and was at training camp at full strength, and was the best QB in the NFL last season. I would assume that the only issue Brady will have is between the ears, if any.

[Fireball77]

Palmer actually had a pretty good year right off his ACL tear too, and with a shorter timeframe of recovery than Brady had as well. BUT...neither of those two had post-op infections like Brady did. Once I see him on the actual field in actual games I think it will be more apparent which way he's going. Palmer looked a bit off at first (probably more of a mental thing of trusting it than anything else, I think that's such a huge thing to overcome mentally, a bad injury like that), but got better.

[thefuzz]

Palmer actually had a pretty good year right off his ACL tear too, and with a shorter timeframe of recovery than Brady had as well. BUT...neither of those two had post-op infections like Brady did. Once I see him on the actual field in actual games I think it will be more apparent which way he's going. Palmer looked a bit off at first (probably more of a mental thing of trusting it than anything else, I think that's such a huge thing to overcome mentally, a bad injury like that), but got better.

Yup, I think that recovering from that injury is trusting that knee to hold up on a throw, and also seeing phantom players around your knees...

[Fireball77]

I actually think the second point is the main issue. They know they can plant and throw in practice. They don't know if they can get hit and get up (preseason doesn't prepare them much for hard hits IMO). We also don't know the wear and tear of the season will affect it. It's been well documented that players who have a major injury don't feel that they are even close to 100% back to normal physical ability wise until year 2 either.

[Darth Hater]

I've always like Orton better than Cutler...

...now that he's not on the Bears and Cutler is?:sifone:

There's no shortage of Bears flavored "haterade" on this site, that's fo sho.

[thefuzz]

I actually think the second point is the main issue. They know they can plant and throw in practice. They don't know if they can get hit and get up (preseason doesn't prepare them much for hard hits IMO). We also don't know the wear and tear of the season will affect it. It's been well documented that players who have a major injury don't feel that they are even close to 100% back to normal physical ability wise until year 2 either.

I have heard that.

Funny how some players bounce back in 6 months, and some never get back to form...but the knee is a very complicated part of the body, and every injury is different.

[The Link]

...now that he's not on the Bears and Cutler is?:sifone:

There's no shortage of Bears flavored "haterade" on this site, that's fo sho.

No, I don't hate The Bears. I just, like I said, have always liked Orton better.