Todd McShay's 1st NFL Mock Draft

[koolkatluke]

because freshman years are hardly ever indicative of what kind of player someone will be. they're completely undeveloped and young, so freshman years are pretty irrelevant for the most part. that and i'm pretty sure he was redshirted

i'm glad that's all you could say to my post, though. herp a derp

So Herschel Walker freshman year should be discounted because it doesn't help your argument?

Screw you Sammy Watkins you had a super freshman year but Nickzz doesn't think it's indicative of what kind of player you will be.

[koolkatluke]

oh lawdie. if you don't see the error in your ways there's no hope, no point in any further argument.

So I'm wrong because I think a 6'0 wr with avg. speed might not be elite talent?

Or I'm wrong to think that drafting a wr in the top 15. Might not be the smart thing to do for a top 5 offense that has to carry the 26th ranked defense.

OK!!

[pantherj]

You can compare both. My point was similar # but one wasn't considered elite. So why is the other?

Plain and simple what makes Blackmon elite? It's not size or speed so what is it?

What made Blackmon look so good in college was his ability to absorb contract when the ball was in the air, get his body turned quickly and properly, elevate, use his long arms, soft hands, make the grab and take of for a lof of yac. Many times the DB guarding him would lose balance and not be able to make a play on the ball, or even fall down completely due to body contact, Blackmon was stronger, and had a better center or gravity than the DBs covering him in college, and he took advantage of that.

But as you point out, his size and speed are not what an elite potential #1 WR would be. The shocking part is that many on this forum think Blackmon, who should project as a #2 reciever, should in time be able to replace Smith as our #1 reciever. They are either trolling, or have no idea what they're talking about. Blackmon is not the right reciever to use to stretch the field, and force double teams due to seperation.

Can Blackmon become a good starting #2 reciever? Sure in time, but I don't think we need him as much as we need to upgrade other positions.

[La Pantera]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/14959/espn-sports-science-analyzes-oklahoma-state-wr-justin-blackmon/

Not on the draft a WR train, but to say the kid doesn't have MAJOR talent is just ignorant!

[nickzz]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/14959/espn-sports-science-analyzes-oklahoma-state-wr-justin-blackmon/

Not on the draft a WR train, but to say the kid doesn't have MAJOR talent is just ignorant!

sports science is hardly a credible source but you are correct

[nickzz]

So Herschel Walker freshman year should be discounted because it doesn't help your argument?

Screw you Sammy Watkins you had a super freshman year but Nickzz doesn't think it's indicative of what kind of player you will be.

if you could read you would see that i said not always. especially when they hardly see the field (like blackmon). obviously you have phenoms like sammy watkins but most people aren't ready their freshman year (and if you aren't ready your freshman year that doesn't mean you can't be a great player).

So I'm wrong because I think a 6'0 wr with avg. speed might not be elite talent?

Or I'm wrong to think that drafting a wr in the top 15. Might not be the smart thing to do for a top 5 offense that has to carry the 26th ranked defense.

OK!!

again, if you could read i answered both of these points several times. he's 6'1 which is plenty tall, height =/= talent. 4.4 is hardly average speed and you can be a great receiver without blazing speed by being a great route runner (like blackmon).

i also never said we should draft blackmon. so, please, shut the fug up.

You can compare both. My point was similar # but one wasn't considered elite. So why is the other?

Plain and simple what makes Blackmon elite? It's not size or speed so what is it?

you don't need to be 6'5 to be good. you don't need to run a 4.2 to be good. what don't you understand? there is MUCH more to it than just those two variables. why can't you understand that?

please come up with a legit response (i enjoy debating) and no more of that incoherent bullshit.

[koolkatluke]

if you could read you would see that i said not always. especially when they hardly see the field (like blackmon). obviously you have phenoms like sammy watkins but most people aren't ready their freshman year (and if you aren't ready your freshman year that doesn't mean you can't be a great player).

So the fact that D jarret saw the field as a freshman shoudn't work in his favour?

Again you cut out stats to help your argument. Problem is I'm the one that looked up the stats 1st. That was dumb on your part.

again, if you could read i answered both of these points several times. he's 6'1 which is plenty tall, height =/= talent. 4.4 is hardly average speed and you can be a great receiver without blazing speed by being a great route runner (like blackmon).

Yes for a avg. wr you can get late 1st 2nd and 3rd round.

Elite WR that you draft in the top 15 usually are 6'3 and up with blazing speed.

i also never said we should draft blackmon. so, please, shut the fug up.

Never said you did we were debating the need for this team to draft a wr. Also please grow up. Telling people to shut up over the internet is a Bitch move.

you don't need to be 6'5 to be good. you don't need to run a 4.2 to be good. what don't you understand? there is MUCH more to it than just those two variables. why can't you understand that?

You don't need to be 6'5 to be good. What I'm trying to tell your dumbass is most teams are looking for those numbers when drafting a wr in the 1st 10 picks.

You can get a 6'1 or 6'0 wr with 4.4 -4.5 speed in the 2nd and 3rd round.

example the 2 wr drafted last year in the top 10

AJ green 6'4 runs a 4.4

Julio Jones 6'3 220 runs a 4.3

please come up with a legit response (i enjoy debating) and no more of that incoherent bullpoo.

Please come with a vaild argument you have failed mostly in this thread.

1. D jarret and Blackmon have about the same number coming out of college.

2. Then you tried to only show 2 years worth of stats to help you already weak argument. Then you came up with a dumb excuse to why you did it.

3. You haven't shown 1 thing to match your claim that Blackmon elite.

4. You also said Micheal Crabtree was elite. Dude hasn't had 1 1,000 yard season in 3 years he's been in the league.

[koolkatluke]

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/14959/espn-sports-science-analyzes-oklahoma-state-wr-justin-blackmon/

Not on the draft a WR train, but to say the kid doesn't have MAJOR talent is just ignorant!

Damian Williams 3rd round pick by the Titans 2010

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/46796/the-sport-science-of-nfl-draftee-wr-damian-williams

Just because a person makes it on sports science it doesn't mean they're elite.

[Riverboat Ron]

I believe some people think Blackmon will fail just because he's not seen as a Calvin Johnson mold of wide receiver. I've watched a ton of Ok State games over the past two years and Justin Blackmon is almost always the most talented player on the field, Ok State or opponent. The guy runs some of the most crisp routes I've ever seen in college as well as having fantastic jumping ability and great hands. People may crucify me for saying this, but Justin Blackmon reminds me very much so of Jerry Rice. Rice was never the fastest or tallest guy on the field, but he worked at his craft and made himself better. He was a great possession receiver and didn't mind going over the middle in a day when a DB could rip your head off and shoot some hoops with it. In today's game Blackmon can use his ability to open of the deep ball for Smith, while still being a huge threat for yac.

Should we take him if he falls to us? Only if Morris Claiborne, Matt Kalil, and a trade down scenario isn't available. We've spent a lot of trade value on WR's over the past two seasons, so it really depends on how much the GM and Rivera trust Gettis, LaFell, Edwards, and Pilares to develop. I personally think we need to add a 1st round talent to our defense, my favorite being Claiborne.

[tiger7_88]

Yeah it does the guys I showed you are actual beat writer fo the team. Usually when they say somthing is going to happen it does. Most of the stories they write are taking by the AP.

But to help you here is a article by Pat Y on Mcsham mock draft.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/29233/mock-draft-picks-for-buccaneers-panthers

(Yasinkas) There's a rule of thumb that says you can only get elite left tackles in the top 10. If the Panthers even end up in the top 10 this year, they might want to consider a left tackle because they might not see the top 10 again for a while.

Amen.

[Woodie]

Don't care about the bitchfest, but while Blackmon should be a good receiver, he is not a priority here. If we didn't have any more pressing needs, I would be quite happy to take Blackmon..particularly where McShay has us taking him.

But while the idea of Blackmon playing opposite of Smitty is very appealing, we do already have decent receivers that have shown they can get the job done. But on defense, we only have one CB, two LB's, and 3 DL (counting Edwards) that have shown they can get the job done in the NFL, not to mention the questions on the right side of our OL. Now we still have FA to make upgrades, but there really isn't anyone available that would be anything more than a stopgap, and a mediocre one at that. Of course, if we did want another WR, the WR crop in FA is actually better than the defensive crop.

So basically, we can't really justify taking a WR in the 1st this year with so many other dire needs on defense and possibly the OL. While we do need to eventually find Smitty's replacement as #1, I think most agree that he has a few good years left, so that is not an immediate need.

[bleys]

sports science is hardly a credible source but you are correct

am I the only one who finds sports science highly annoying...? maybe it's the douche talking...

[Khaki Lackey]

I love mock drafts before the season is over and players declare eligibility. I also love drinking non-alcoholic beer at exhibition baseball games.

[La Pantera]

Damian Williams 3rd round pick by the Titans 2010

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/46796/the-sport-science-of-nfl-draftee-wr-damian-williams

Just because a person makes it on sports science it doesn't mean they're elite.

Where in my post did I say ELITE!?I said major TALENT. And you guys are right because your on sports science doesn't mean poo, but an inch is an inch and a foot is a foot. The measureables are facts. How they translate to the field is a different story.