Merill Hoge: "Panthers offense maybe the scariest offense in all of football"

[CRA]

I call bullpoo. It might not even be top 10 but the talent this team has, we'd be much better than we were last year regardless.

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are you kidding me....it MIGHT not be top 10?

it is last seasons talent with upgraded TE talent. Jimmy Clausen would still be leading on of the worst offensives in the NFL.

You do realize what ultimately has made this offense work is the deep ball. We lead the NFL with it.....Clausen couldn't stay in the pocket and refused to even look Smith's direction. Nor could he stay in the pocket to make the majority of those the throws Cam does. Here is another hint....the screens wouldn't set up either for a QB play checkdown all game. Let's not forget Cam also picks up more first downs on 3rd than ANY RB in the NFL. That means you can't claim Stewart/Williams could get that done instead.....but no RB in the NFL has had the success Cam has in that area.

I call bullpoo on you imagining Clausen could be running a comparable offense. Only person he could beat is Gabbert.

[Darth Biscuit]

Thanks JR... that schedule looks easier than this season's for sure. Right now the other two teams would be the Cardinals (home) and the Bears (away).

[Marguide]

I call bullpoo. It might not even be top 10 but the talent this team has, we'd be much better than we were last year regardless.

With all due respect Mav, I'm not buying it.

Cam has more 3rd down conversions with his feet than any other player in the league. Add to that the number of sacks he has avoided that most QB's couldn't.

Our offense would look totally different without Cam.

[Johnny Rockets]

Thanks JR... that schedule looks easier than this season's for sure. Right now the other two teams would be the Cardinals (home) and the Bears (away).

Good setup not having to travel all the way out to Oakland, San Diego or that NFC West team TBD.

Want to take a road trip to Philly for that Panther game biscuit. :cool:

[PhillyB]

the reason our running game looks so good is because teams have to watch out for cam running it. it opens up the run and it opens up the pass too.

anyone who thinks the offense would be even close to as good with clausen or anderson needs a cranium check.

[Darth Biscuit]

Good setup not having to travel all the way out to Oakland, San Diego or that NFC West team TBD.

Want to take a road trip to Philly for that Panther game biscuit. :cool:

Umm... no. I would like to survive at least until the end of next season or Dec. 21, 2012 if that's the end of time. :D

[mav1234]

Gonna have to disagree with you there bud. Cam changes everything. DE don't rush the same, Safeties play much deeper, we even have linebackers not dropping into coverage just spying cam. Look at his scrambles for 3rd down conversions, that in itself would have changed our dynamic last year. Defensive coordinators start off trying to stop Cam, then the system. Not the other way around imo.

Pretty sure we'd still be pedestrian. Look at who was running the offense - Cam wouldn't have had the same kind of freedom he does now. Yes, he would have had scrambles, and sure the offense would have functioned a bit better than when Jimmy was in there, but that's why I said pedestrian.

[mav1234]

So what has really changed about this offense that makes you believe it would be a top ten if Jimmy was running it?

What part of "might not even be top 10" makes you think I said it would be top 10?

Maybe I wasn't clear, but "might not even be top 10" was meant to show how it would be worse, not that "it might be top 10."

With all due respect Mav, I'm not buying it.

Cam has more 3rd down conversions with his feet than any other player in the league. Add to that the number of sacks he has avoided that most QB's couldn't.

Our offense would look totally different without Cam.

"Totally different" does not need to mean "20th in the league." This same coordinator ran an offense in 2007 that featured Anderson and they were 8th in the league. I don't know that he could repeat that success, but I think that you guys are selling Chud very short to think he wouldn't be anywhere without Cam.

[whytogo]

Gonna have to disagree with you there bud. Cam changes everything. DE don't rush the same, Safeties play much deeper, we even have linebackers not dropping into coverage just spying cam. Look at his scrambles for 3rd down conversions, that in itself would have changed our dynamic last year. Defensive coordinators start off trying to stop Cam, then the system. Not the other way around imo.

You are right.

How much of that stunt that was pulled yesterday with Cam and that guy, don't remember his name, could have been pulled with Jimmy under center? If anything, Cam brings to this team options at confusing and taking other teams out of their own comfort zone. Most team focus outwards. The main threat of a team, then everyone else. If Cam is the main threat of your team, that is who they are going to focus most of their energy in trying to stop like they do with Tom Brady, Rogers and even The Golden Calf of Bristol. The Panthers offense are becoming a threat to other teams.

What can make this team even more difficult is, if some players on the defense could step up their game and give teams some serious headaches. Yesterday's game was the best, IMO, from the defense. They cause fumbles and caught and held on to interceptions. Those are the things that need to be done more often to make this team a more balanced threat in this league. Peak at the right time, and you have a Superbowl winning team.

[CRA]

"Totally different" does not need to mean "20th in the league." This same coordinator ran an offense in 2007 that featured Anderson and they were 8th in the league. I don't know that he could repeat that success, but I think that you guys are selling Chud very short to think he wouldn't be anywhere without Cam.

we wouldn't be anywhre with Clausen or Anderson. Now, if he hand another QB....then maybe. Clausen and Anderson or both garbage. Clausen can't play in an offense that requires you to be in the pocket throwing downfield. And Chud's last year in Clev and Anderson's career since....showed he was a one hit wonder.

[mav1234]

we wouldn't be anywhre with Clausen or Anderson. Now, if he hand another QB....then maybe. Clausen and Anderson or both garbage. Clausen can't play in an offense that requires you to be in the pocket throwing downfield. And Chud's last year in Clev and Anderson's career since....showed he was a one hit wonder.

I don't think we would have been where we are now with Clausen, but we certainly would have been better than 31st in the league. He was playing much better in camp and the preseason, and he was even making some of the downfield throws. Not as many as Cam is now, but he looked much better than last year.

As to Anderson, it's hard to know what would have happened had he started. What little we did see of him suggests he at very least could still execute this offense pretty well.

With either of these guys, we would likely be leaning on the running backs more... the thing is, we actually have good enough backs to do that. That isn't to say this would be a great offense with Cam, but I think it would still have functioned even if he hadn't started the season.

[Guest Irv]

I dont like black qb's.

[CRA]

I don't think we would have been where we are now with Clausen, but we certainly would have been better than 31st in the league. He was playing much better in camp and the preseason, and he was even making some of the downfield throws. Not as many as Cam is now, but he looked much better than last year.

As to Anderson, it's hard to know what would have happened had he started. What little we did see of him suggests he at very least could still execute this offense pretty well.

With either of these guys, we would likely be leaning on the running backs more... the thing is, we actually have good enough backs to do that. That isn't to say this would be a great offense with Cam, but I think it would still have functioned even if he hadn't started the season.

Considering our offense requires a QB to stick in the pocket and make deep vertical throws....I don't see how you can argue Clausen wouldn't implode it. Jeff Davidson sucked as an OC....but at least Cam would have sat in the pocket and threw to Smitty. Once you hit those it opens up more.

[GotSwag?]

Hoge is a master of the obvious. If we get determined to work on our defense like we did our offense last offseason, this team has Super Bowl potential.

Call me a homer but we have led in every game but one this season with a piss poor defense. Think about an improved defense and no longer a rookie at the helm at QB thats gotten a chance to see teams and adjust.