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I agree. Denver lost because they turned the ball over and New England didn't. The second quarter was a disaster for them. The Golden Calf of Bristol was partially at fault because he had one of the turnovers, but other than that, he played ok.

Denvers offense isn't great, but they are not as bad as some folks make them out to be. The Golden Calf of Bristol has the potential to be as good as Jake Delhomme during our superbowl run, if they put some talented receivers around him like Jake had. He could be Jake with slightly less accuracy but better scrambling and running ability.

I'm sure if you surround every QB from the first round to the last with great players they will all succeed to a certain degree. Isn't there is suppose to be something that separate the first round QBs from the last"?

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Yeah it's true that keeping up with high powered offenses is going to be a problem for Denver. But you stated it was because of their read option/run game. That obviously wasn't the case this game. Denver ran the ball well and enough to win the game. You just not going to win many games with 3 turnovers regardless of the style of play.

execution doesn't make a difference. you can run for 400 yards against the pats and they can still beat you with their high powered offense

you're not going to beat new england by trying to play ball control and not forcing tom into making any mistakes, and they are usually one of the top 3 teams in that conference.

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I guess if you say so...:rolleyes:

But...But...But...How come when the Panthers lose, everyone is looking for ways to put the blame on your QB's back. The endless ranting over his ints and whatever else they can blame him for is amazing.

Please find 5 regulars posters who always look to put all the blame on Cam. Should be easy since you claim everyone does it. When you cannot you will realize that like I said you have no clue what you are talking about.

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execution doesn't make a difference. you can run for 400 yards against the pats and they can still beat you with their high powered offense

you're not going to beat new england by trying to play ball control and not forcing tom into making any mistakes, and they are usually one of the top 3 teams in that conference.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Execution sure as hell makes a difference. If Denver executed and never fumbled 3 times it'd be a whole different story. They didn't but that's not the point.

The point is NE and Denver's style of play had no bearing on this outcome of this game and if you can't see that, I am not sure what to say.

Did you even watch the game? Denver was moving the ball extremely well running their offense early on. Like I said it's gonna be tougher on the Broncos for them to face high powered offense, but that's wasn't the biggest factor in yesterday's game. It's not like NE's defense is gonna win them ball games. Possessing the ball keeps NE off the field. The weird thing is that Denver scored pretty quickly. It's the turnovers in the second that killed them. That lead to an easy 13 or 17 (can't remember) points.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Execution sure as hell makes a difference. If Denver executed and never fumbled 3 times it'd be a whole different story. They didn't but that's not the point.

you're not going to beat the pats by running the ball, not opening up the playbook and trying to keep it close by playing defense. Not the way Brady's playing this year.

The point is NE and Denver's style of play had no bearing on this outcome of this game and if you can't see that, I am not sure what to say.

yes it did. Detroit beat them in similar fashion. (Throw all over the field and create turnovers on defense. Denver out-rushed Detroit and for 2.5 yards per attempt more. They even won the TOP battle against Detroit.) So will any other team with a dominant passing attack.

Denver was moving the ball extremely well running their offense early on. Like I said it's gonna be tougher on the Broncos for them to face high powered offense, but that's wasn't the biggest factor in yesterday's game. It's not like NE's defense is gonna win them ball games. Possessing the ball keeps NE off the field. The weird thing is that Denver scored pretty quickly. It's the turnovers in the second that killed them. That lead to an easy 13 or 17 (can't remember) points.

last I checked a football game was 4 whole quarters, and consists of more than just "early on". They didn't run "good enough" to win the game. They turned it over twice trying to run the ball. If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw for 252 with a decent completion percentage, 3 touchdown passes, but two picks, ceteris paribus, would you say he passed well enough to win the game? You wouldn't, because people on this board still think a sheer volume of rushing yards is all you need to beat anybody.

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yes it did. Detroit beat them in similar fashion. (Throw all over the field and create turnovers on defense. Denver out-rushed Detroit and for 2.5 yards per attempt more. They even won the TOP battle against Detroit.) So will any other team with a dominant passing attack.

Denver didn't play nearly as well against Detroit as they did against the Pats. The turnovers killed their momentum.

TOP means nothing if you don't put up points. Denver had to punt 7 times against Detroit, only had to do it 3 times against NE.

Like I said, I agree with the notion that high powered offenses are going to be a problem for Denver but that wasn't the reason Denver lost Sunday. The style Denver was playing was working against NE's D. This had a shootout written all over it but the turnovers killed any hopes Denver had for this game.

last I checked a football game was 4 whole quarters, and consists of more than just "early on". They didn't run "good enough" to win the game. They turned it over twice trying to run the ball. If The Golden Calf of Bristol threw for 252 with a decent completion percentage, 3 touchdown passes, but two picks, ceteris paribus, would you say he passed well enough to win the game? You wouldn't, because people on this board still think a sheer volume of rushing yards is all you need to beat anybody.

You can't just look at stats and see if a team ran or passed the ball well enough to win it. There are other factors that play a role. Stats are for people that don't watch games and I am starting to think you didn't. Rushing yards aren't all you need obviously but it was helping the move down the field. Again, Denver only punted 3 times compared to NE's 4.

Denver most certainly ran the ball well enough to win it (whether it was The Golden Calf of Bristol, McGahee, or Ball). Their turnovers were all in Denver territory and just put them in bad positions to defend. You say Denver out rushed Detorit by 2.1 yards per attempt, that means nothing. Detroit isn't a running team and Denver is the leading rushing team in the NFL, so I am not sure what that's supposed to mean. Something that does mean something is that Denver ran 8.1 yards/play against the Patriots compared to 6.5 yards/play against the Lions

The style of play had nothing to do with THIS game.

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Please find 5 regulars posters who always look to put all the blame on Cam. Should be easy since you claim everyone does it. When you cannot you will realize that like I said you have no clue what you are talking about.

Okay...I'll take a survey because you see differently..And please go back and find where I said "everyone" about anything regarding Cam.

Do you know what an opinion is? Something we're both entitled to have.

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But...But...But...How come when the Panthers lose, everyone is looking for ways to put the blame on your QB's back. The endless ranting over his ints and whatever else they can blame him for is amazing.

Okay...I'll take a survey because you see differently..And please go back and find where I said "everyone" about anything regarding Cam.

Do you know what an opinion is? Something we're both entitled to have.

#AndBoomGoesTheDynamite

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I'm sure if you surround every QB from the first round to the last with great players they will all succeed to a certain degree. Isn't there is suppose to be something that separate the first round QBs from the last"?

More than half of qb's drafted in the first round don't pan out no matter how much talent is around them. We have been extremely lucky with Cam, in that he has worked out better than most of us thought he would. Fwiw though, first round is just a number. Once they start playing, doesn't matter what round a player is drafted in, its all about how he performs on the field.

From what I saw, The Golden Calf of Bristol can be a accurate passer. He had some very nice throws. He does have a very slow delivery, but thats somewhat negated by his running ability. He will never be great, but he could certainly be good.

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Okay...I'll take a survey because you see differently..And please go back and find where I said "everyone" about anything regarding Cam.

Do you know what an opinion is? Something we're both entitled to have.

I don't mind you having an opinion, but I do get annoyed if your opinion is about something you think I feel/believe about our quarterback when you're wrong.

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Okay...I'll take a survey because you see differently..And please go back and find where I said "everyone" about anything regarding Cam.

Do you know what an opinion is? Something we're both entitled to have.

Well TRD already quoted where you said everyone so no need for me to repeat. And I understand you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to show you how stupid and wrong your opinion is.

For instance

But...But...But...How come when the Panthers lose, everyone is looking for ways to put the blame on your QB's back. The endless ranting over his ints and whatever else they can blame him for is amazing.

I never said Tim blame his receivers. That's usually left up to the fans and others. Unlike Tom Brady, who chews out his receivers for not catching his bad balls while on camera, Tim is more likely to pat a receiver on his back and console them for missing one of his erratic balls.

And actually you're right, there isn't a lot of ranting about Cam. Just endless threads from fans wanting attention and knowing they can get it by making Cam or something he did or didn't do the center of their discussion

Either there is a lot of ranting about Cam or there isn't. Considering you said both, one of those "opinions" is wrong.

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