With two games to go

[Matthias]

As things stand right now, I could realistically see us getting the sixth overall pick. The draft order would go something like this......

1. Vikings (lose out)

2. Colts (win one or perhaps 2 more)

3. Rams (win one more)

4. Browns

5. Jaguars

6. Panthers

As I said before, Kalil could slip if this is the order of things, and in that case, we should draft him hands down. I've read one report posted on the Rams forum that said they might be looking to trade for more picks. So the Vikes would take Luck (if they believe Ponder can pull them through, someone needs to be fired.), the Colts take RGlll or Barkley, and the Rams trade out. In this scenario, Kalil falls to number 4. The Browns have their LT in Joe Thomas, and with Peyton Hillis most likely not staying, they will draft Richardson. The Jags could take him, but they might be searching for another receiver. If Blackmon is still on the board, they will probably take him. Leaving Kalil for the taking.

I'm going to still hold out hope we get him, but if not, I would probably be a fan of trading out or taking Claiborne.

[Lout]

As things stand right now, I could realistically see us getting the sixth overall pick. The draft order would go something like this......

1. Vikings (lose out)

2. Colts (win one or perhaps 2 more)

3. Rams (win one more)

4. Browns

5. Jaguars

6. Panthers

As I said before, Kalil could slip if this is the order of things, and in that case, we should draft him hands down. I've read one report posted on the Rams forum that said they might be looking to trade for more picks. So the Vikes would take Luck (if they believe Ponder can pull them through, someone needs to be fired.), the Colts take RGlll or Barkley, and the Rams trade out. In this scenario, Kalil falls to number 4. The Browns have their LT in Joe Thomas, and with Peyton Hillis most likely not staying, they will draft Richardson. The Jags could take him, but they might be searching for another receiver. If Blackmon is still on the board, they will probably take him. Leaving Kalil for the taking.

I'm going to still hold out hope we get him, but if not, I would probably be a fan of trading out or taking Claiborne.

If we beat the Bucs this weekend.. I hope you agree that we have no shot at Kalil.

[nickzz]

already have no shot at kalil. people need to get over it.

[DaCityKats]

I am not an advocate of drafting straight BPA. My philosophy would be to draft BPA based on a need. So let's say our top 3 needs are, CB/LB/DT (just for example), I would be all for drafting the best availalbe player from those 3 positions. If the best player on the board is Richardson the RB from Bama'.. there is just no way you can justify that. There has to be some limitations to the BPA philosophy.

but if you have better value with the top WR than you go there. of course Rich is a top 5 player in this draft, but the value of a RB is not as high as it used to be. even if those are our top needs if there is better value at OT or WR than those will be the pick.

[Lout]

but if you have better value with the top WR than you go there. of course Rich is a top 5 player in this draft, but the value of a RB is not as high as it used to be. even if those are our top needs if there is better value at OT or WR than those will be the pick.

I agree to an extent. Let's say we have a need at WR, OT, and LB.

Let's also say that Blackmon/Reiff/Brown are on the board.

We have Blackmon rated at 8.1, Reiff at 8.0, and Brown at 8.0.

So Blackmon is the highest rated player on the board. Do you take him?

I'd think not. At that point, you have to take the player that fits the biggest need. Agree? It's not strictly BPA.. I think that would be foolish to go strictly BPA. But, there has to be a big enough gap in how you rate the people on your board. If Blackmon is far and away higher rated than any other player, then you have to take him even if it's not our top need. I am talking about a .3 difference or more. If not, you need to take the player that fills the biggest need. In this case, it would probably LB. (This is just an example, I am not condoning that we take a LB).

[Matthias]

If we beat the Bucs this weekend.. I hope you agree that we have no shot at Kalil.

I would agree with that.

[GamecockSmitty4]

I think that will depend on if we are transitioning to the 34 or not as well. If we aren't I think Zach Brown/Kirkpatrick/Barron could all be upgrades. If we are switching to 34, then Upshaw can be added to the short list.

On offense, Decastro would be the only significant upgrade (this year) in my opinion. We could bring an rookie OT in this year, but let's be realistic, Jordan Gross has not dropped off completely yet, and I doubt a rookie OT would beat our current Gross. And if Otah comes back healthy, we essentially shelfed our 1st round pick for a whole year. When you are picking in the top 10, you need to pick a guy who can come in and contribute right away, and I don't necessarily think that will be the case with an OT prospect. That's why I think OT will be our top pick next season, not this season.

I honestly don't want to touch Brown, Kirkpatrick, or Barron with a top 15 pick. That's just my opinion. Brown is good, but a bit overrated, IMO. Plus, OLB is not a big need with the (potential) emergence of Senn. Kirkpatrick has never impressed me. I watch a LOT of Bama football and I have never been impressed. He is good at run support but would be a liability in coverage (for instance...watch him vs Alshon from last year. Alshon abused him all game long and beat Dre physically...which is supposed to be his game). Barron just has never impressed me at all. He's solid, but I'm not sure he would be an upgrade over Martin.

As far as the Reiff thing goes...in all honesty, NO rookies should be starting on the OL without a big emergency (like this year with Otah/Bell). The best thing for a rookie would be to learn his first year and pick up some garbage time snaps. IIRC, Otah has one year left on his contract and that could work perfectly. Give Otah one more year to prove himself to be a dominant OT and at the end of the year decide what you want to do. Not to mention that you have Reiff if Gross or Otah goes down. At the end of the year you either get rid of Otah if he doesn't show up or figure what you want to do if he does. Best case scenario you have 3 quality OT's and could possibly (if any are willing/capable) move one inside and have a nasty OL.

[Kettle]

I'd like Claiborne, and getting him is FAR more likely than Kalil.

[stirs]

We are out of the running for the top 5 marquee picks.

Luck

Barkley

Blackmon

Kalil

Claiborne

will all be gone by the time we pick at 10/11.

Christmas list wishing will not help. What we pick at 10 will not be a great deal better than could be had at 15-20, and nobody will want to trade with us. It is what it is.

We feel all better about winning against 2nd and 3rd stringers the last couple of weeks but what you get is no idea what your own second and third stringers can do, but also good and not great picks in the draft. It is a trade off.

[Kettle]

how do we end up 10 or 11? we'll beat the bucs, but I doubt we win at NO with them trying to get the bye week. So 6 wins.

[stirs]

KC is currently picking 12th with 6 wins

[Kettle]

damn. didn't realize the standings were so close at the bottom. just looked and our current pick is 9th.

[DaCityKats]

I agree to an extent. Let's say we have a need at WR, OT, and LB.

Let's also say that Blackmon/Reiff/Brown are on the board.

We have Blackmon rated at 8.1, Reiff at 8.0, and Brown at 8.0.

So Blackmon is the highest rated player on the board. Do you take him?

I'd think not. At that point, you have to take the player that fits the biggest need. Agree? It's not strictly BPA.. I think that would be foolish to go strictly BPA. But, there has to be a big enough gap in how you rate the people on your board. If Blackmon is far and away higher rated than any other player, then you have to take him even if it's not our top need. I am talking about a .3 difference or more. If not, you need to take the player that fills the biggest need. In this case, it would probably LB. (This is just an example, I am not condoning that we take a LB).

yes or the OT Reiff because of the value. you dont want to draft for biggest need than you will begin to reach for players, but you just dont want to draft bpa either as well. who ever fits the best i guess and out of those 3 i would say the WR or OT do. also you want to look at the drop off from 2nd round to 1st. is their a huge drop off from a top 10 OT compared to 2nd rounder? is their a huge drop off from Brown compared to Lewis or David who could be had in the 2nd?

[unicar15]

I think Alshon Jeffrey might become an option if we are picking down at #10. Not that I think we should take him.. but that is about the area he will be taken.

I don't think he would be a bad pick at all if Claiborne is off the board. I could see Claiborne slipping to 8, which would be great.