Steve Smith takes Cam over Tebow anyday.

[SauceBoss]

You know what's funny, Denver doesn't even want The Golden Calf of Bristol.

[boo7382]

Your world Boo, I'm just living in it.

Now that's what I like to hear.;)

Have a good night guys.

[footballisasport]

You know what's funny, Denver doesn't even want The Golden Calf of Bristol.

You are so right...You'd think with him winning as much as he is, they'd be locking him down as their franchise QB by now.

[I am Hubby]

Broncos are on the high side of middle of the road, with a QB no one knows how to explain. Panthers are a bottom of the depths team, with a QB no one can deny is special.

If you are going to compare these two teams, you have to go with what makes them different. Because these teams are nothing alike.

If we had their D, we would be talking Playoff position. If they had our D, they would be, well, less happy.

Just a thought or two. And GOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Montsta]

OMG...SHOCKING NEWS! OUR WR Supports our QB!

Our WR hasn't always supported our QB's, so this is sort of news really.

[TheRealDeal]

Jim is in a class of his own, he's the exception not the rule.

[Jangler]

I still can't believe you guys/gals let one snide comment from Trd get you riled up.

He knows just what to say to get you folks going.

Even if you make the most perfect, reason argument. Do you really think it is going to change his mind.

good thing I don't read his posts.

[Montsta]

There is no chance The Golden Calf of Bristol improves, obviously that young defense will be too old in a couple years, obviously Steve Smith at 37 will still be explosive, our aging line will still hold up, our star back will still be playing, our defense will still be intact and of course Cam will develop flawlessly and no one will figure out how to slow him down.

:smh:

I don't even want to adress the "defenses don't win SBs" comment

You don't think the stars of the Denver D will slowly depart via free agency over the next few years? Foxy's shtick get's old real quick. It's impossible to say where each team will be in 5 years, but I'd bet money that Cam will be a better pro QB, by far, in that amount of time.

[mav1234]

FWIW, I think the Broncos are better off than we are right now and for the immediate future. In a couple years time, perhaps we'll be better, but next year they'll likely be even better and ready to make some real waves. The Golden Calf of Bristol will be improved, the defense will likely be improved, and we'll still be hoping our defense has been fixed.

The Golden Calf of Bristol showed against Minnesota that he can still win in a shoot out, so I'm hard pressed to really say much about how they won't be able to score. While I doubt they'd come back from 27 down, I'd give them a better chance at it than this team, just because our defense sure as hell isn't going to stop anyone often enough for us to cover that many points...

I do think our defense will improve, but we're going to need to really hit draft gold OR seek some help in free agency for our defense to be better than average next year I think.

Now, in 5 years? I think we'll be the better team in all likelihood, but in the immediate future... there's no reason to think we'll cover the gap between the Broncos and us that quickly.

[panthers55]

Of course Smith would take Newton over The Golden Calf of Bristol. The Golden Calf of Bristol is hardly a good passer nor is he very talented or athletic. But I can see why many do like him. He obviously is a good leader has great intangibles and makes the most of what skills he has. His success may actually work against him. If the team has success despite his poor numbers and passing skills he may be less motivated to continue to morph into more of a prostyle quarterback. It remains to be seen how he will fare when team's adapt to his style much like they did to Vick after a few years. On a positive note his throwing on the run has looking fairly good the past few weeks.

[panthers55]

FWIW, I think the Broncos are better off than we are right now and for the immediate future. In a couple years time, perhaps we'll be better, but next year they'll likely be even better and ready to make some real waves. The Golden Calf of Bristol will be improved, the defense will likely be improved, and we'll still be hoping our defense has been fixed.

The Golden Calf of Bristol showed against Minnesota that he can still win in a shoot out, so I'm hard pressed to really say much about how they won't be able to score. While I doubt they'd come back from 27 down, I'd give them a better chance at it than this team, just because our defense sure as hell isn't going to stop anyone often enough for us to cover that many points...

I do think our defense will improve, but we're going to need to really hit draft gold OR seek some help in free agency for our defense to be better than average next year I think.

Now, in 5 years? I think we'll be the better team in all likelihood, but in the immediate future... there's no reason to think we'll cover the gap between the Broncos and us that quickly.

It will be interesting to see if Fox can be more consistent there compared to when he was here. Your commentary assumes so yet he had difficulty rising about average most years despite a good defense.

I am also not as negative about the Panthers nest year compared to you. I think even given that we play in a much harder division, we will be much improved next year. Our defense is going to be much better next year. Rivera has a history of producing very good defense wherever he goes and it doesn't take several years to do so.

[mav1234]

Fox was pretty consistent in his first few years here. I'm talking about the immediate future. They are likely to make the playoffs this year and have a good chance of doing so again next year. They may not have sustained success over 5 years or w/e, but I would be surprised if they took a massive step back next year.

First, I agree we will be much improved next year and you're right about Rivera producing good defenses, unfortunately his DC has no such history. However, being much improved won't necessarily translate to having all that many more wins or being in a better position to make a playoff run than the Broncos.

[TheRealDeal]

You don't think the stars of the Denver D will slowly depart via free agency over the next few years? Foxy's shtick get's old real quick. It's impossible to say where each team will be in 5 years, but I'd bet money that Cam will be a better pro QB, by far, in that amount of time.

Sure but that's assuming we lose some players too.

Gamble will be older, who knows how Beason returns, CJ is 5 years older. Will Rivera even be here?

It's all a guessing game but if you had to use now as a jump off point, I think the team leading their division with a winning record is closer to a SB than a team with back to back picks in the top 5 or 6.

[panthers55]

Sure but that's assuming we lose some players too.

Gamble will be older, who knows how Beason returns, CJ is 5 years older. Will Rivera even be here?

It's all a guessing game but if you had to use now as a jump off point, I think the team leading their division with a winning record is closer to a SB than a team with back to back picks in the top 5 or 6.

When one of those picks is a franchise quarterback and the other helps the defense tremendously, that might not be the case. Besides Fox has not shown yet he can produce consistent winners. The only thingDenver has going for them is that their division is pretty easy as long as San Diego continues to struggle.