Steve Smith takes Cam over Tebow anyday.

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Pssst, The Golden Calf of Bristol threw an interception.

The Golden Calf of Bristol has attempted 198 passes, Cam has attempted 452, so it's fair to compare their body of work right?

interceptions per pass attempt

interception percentage

[Argus Plexus]

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I was talking about Moore and Jake over the courses of their career. Not a small 5 or 6 game window.

And as usual you don't exactly have your facts in order which is becoming a constant theme with you.

If you are talking about offensive yards and actual offensive points Denver is at 17.7 yards per point for the season.

Since The Golden Calf of Bristol have taken over their offensive yards to actual offensive scores is actually 18.2 YPP so it has actually been worse than when Orton was QB.

The Panthers are at 17.1 without their one non-offensive TD.

But even if you counted the defensive and special teams touchdowns that have inflated the Broncos overall OYPP their actual OYPP since The Golden Calf of Bristol has taken over would be..... 15.8 YPP. Nearly the same as the Panthers.

So in reality, and factually our actual offense has scored more per yard than The Golden Calf of Bristol and the Broncos and our respective teams score nearly an equal amount of points per yard if you allow their non-offensive TDs (or normal OYPP).

So... what else do you got??

As usual you have no idea how to use yards per point and still don't understand why everybody uses scoring offense yards per point and yet you THINK someone else doesn't. The guy who taught it to you.

Perfect Cam Newton Fan....I teach you something, and now I have to be up to your level in YPP while you continue to mis-use it and didn't even want to recognize its definition for 3 months.

The most important part of yards per point is because it's NOT a vacuum stat. It's because it doesn't ignore field position, and turnovers. So once you went out of your way to look it up ONLY for your actual offense, you RUINED IT! You fugED UP the entire point of the stat and what makes it better than your drive stats. And you leave out the other half of ypp.

You turned it into nothing more than another drive stat. A vacuum stat.

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Why do you keep saying Teeray/myself/others think "the only thing that matters is yards vs a defense?" Nobody, NOBODY has said yards are the most important stat about our offense, and in fact, the two people you argue with most about this (both Teeray and myself) talk about stats like points per drive, punts per drive, etc to evaluate offense and defense - not yards. You are making a strawman because you keep bringing up yards but virtually no-one disputes that yards have very limited use alone as any kind of measuring stick of an offense or defense.

HORRIBLE!

That's what a per drive stat is: a horrible measurement when used by itself. It's a poor man's yards per points but it misses one important part...yards per point. How long or short they are. Which means a 30 yard drive = 90 yard drive. Now we all know there is a big fuging difference between a 90 yard drive that starts at the 10 yard line, and one where you start in your opponent's red-zone. Well for most offenses...not ours.

It looks at the number of drives and completely ignores how long they are. Because they don't align performance on equal drives. They divide by the number of drives(your opponents typically have an identical number of drives..except for the final drive). They don't compare teams across equal drives. They don't compare how Carolina's offense/defense does on 30 yard drives versus another team's offense/defense on 30 yard drives. Likewise 90 vs 90. If they did that, it would be great. But they don't. They have no problem treating a 90 yard drive the same as a 30 yard drive and spitting out a number!

USELESS.

[Lumps]

this thread should be a movie

what should we call it?

[Showtime]

A documentary: Professors who abuse their students on 60 minutes.

[klumme]

this thread should be a movie

what should we call it?

The Never Ending Story

[teeray]

As usual you have no idea how to use yards per point and still don't understand why everybody uses scoring offense yards per point and yet you THINK someone else doesn't. The guy who taught it to you.

Perfect Cam Newton Fan....I teach you something, and now I have to be up to your level in YPP while you continue to mis-use it and didn't even want to recognize its definition for 3 months.

The most important part of yards per point is because it's NOT a vacuum stat. It's because it doesn't ignore field position, and turnovers. So once you went out of your way to look it up ONLY for your actual offense, you RUINED IT! You fugED UP the entire point of the stat and what makes it better than your drive stats. And you leave out the other half of ypp.

You turned it into nothing more than another drive stat. A vacuum stat.

No. I was responding to your post where you said The Golden Calf of Bristol was scoring more TDs per yard. He isn't. It isn't factually accurate. That was the point of that. And I included their actual OYPP in my post as well, but you were rushing again and only read half of it.

And you didn't even know how YPP was calculated for the first 2 weeks you attempted to use it. Not sure how you think you taught me OYPP to me considering I have been using it for years and you didn't even understand how it was calculated, but okay.

And again, there isn't any such thing as a "vacuum stats". There are only stats used in a vacuum.

And for the record, drive statistics has 10x the context of OYPP because it is reflective of your actual offense and cannot be influenced by special teams or defensive TDs.

Fun fact about OYPP. If you drive the ball 60 yards and kick a field goal your OYPP is 20. If on the first play of your next drive your QB is sacked for a loss of 15 yards and loses a fumble you OYPP becomes 15.

That is right. Sacks and negative yardage plays actually improves your OYPP.

[teeray]

HORRIBLE!

That's what a per drive stat is: a horrible measurement when used by itself. It's a poor man's yards per points but it misses one important part...yards per point. How long or short they are. Which means a 30 yard drive = 90 yard drive. Now we all know there is a big fuging difference between a 90 yard drive that starts at the 10 yard line, and one where you start in your opponent's red-zone. Well for most offenses...not ours.

It looks at the number of drives and completely ignores how long they are. Because they don't align performance on equal drives. They divide by the number of drives(your opponents typically have an identical number of drives..except for the final drive). They don't compare teams across equal drives. They don't compare how Carolina's offense/defense does on 30 yard drives versus another team's offense/defense on 30 yard drives. Likewise 90 vs 90. If they did that, it would be great. But they don't. They have no problem treating a 90 yard drive the same as a 30 yard drive and spitting out a number!

USELESS.

LOL. Yes but OYPP actually gives more value to a short 30 yard drive than a 90 yard drive. That is also why you use TDs per drive, and points per drive, in conjunction with average starting field position.

So why is it a problem with drive stats in which all TDs are equal but not OYPP in which a 7 yard drive is 10x more valuable than a 70 yard drive and non-offensive TDs are even more valuable than offensive TDs?

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And with that, I am done entertaining you and your narrative PFFL.

You clearly don't understand what you are talking about. Most people can see it. I am sorry you don't have the comprehension skills to understand it. Maybe you would feel more at home at pantherstalk with the 4 other posters there.

Your inability to grasp basic concepts, basic math, a staggering lack of attention to detail, and you having the reading comprehension of an ADD struck 6th grader, has proven to me that you are not capable of understanding the type of stuff that myself, MAV, and P55 among many others have presented to you.

It is cool. Stats, mathematics, and a basic understanding of the game of football isn't for everyone. I just have to give up. Good luck at pantherstalk. I hope that website takes off for you :)

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No. I was responding to your post where you said The Golden Calf of Bristol was scoring more TDs per yard. He isn't. It isn't factually accurate. That was the point of that. And I included their actual OYPP in my post as well, but you were rushing again and only read half of it.

And you didn't even know how YPP was calculated for the first 2 weeks you attempted to use it. Not sure how you think you taught me OYPP to me considering I have been using it for years and you didn't even understand how it was calculated, but okay.

And again, there isn't any such thing as a "vacuum stats". There are only stats used in a vacuum.

And for the record, drive statistics has 10x the context of OYPP because it is reflective of your actual offense and cannot be influenced by special teams or defensive TDs.

Fun fact about OYPP. If you drive the ball 60 yards and kick a field goal your OYPP is 20. If on the first play of your next drive your QB is sacked for a loss of 15 yards and loses a fumble you OYPP becomes 15.

That is right. Sacks and negative yardage plays actually improves your OYPP.

Because as usual, you made a terrible comparison, and you compared the TEAM'S offense alone to come to the conclusion The Golden Calf of Bristol doesn't get more yards per point. It's like racing a dodge viper versus an 18 wheeler to figure out which engine is more powerful.

Why not just compare the engine specs?

Fun fact: you are wrong as usual and that's not how ypp works. That's not a fact. That's a Teeray fact.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

teeray you have the patience of a fuging saint

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Him or I?

[Jangler]

this thread should be a movie

what should we call it?