Steve Smith takes Cam over Tebow anyday.

[Showtime]

So since Cam is better than Moore and Jake in that category do you think he is better than both of them even as a rookie??

Wow. That is pretty good. You should be excited about that!!

Good logic except Jake can win a comeback and you're wrong about Moore this year:

Matt Moore, QB MIA 263 162 61.6 1,864 7.09 46 10 6 28 86.1

Cam's better than Moore in two cagetories. Points and the one where the team gives him 1500 yards after catch. Overall Moore's a better passer. Moore's got the same interception per pass efficiency as Tom Brady this year.

And it's never a bad idea to check their scoring efficiency either. Lots of yards help your QB rating, but as we know now, without the scores they hurt it. It just means you traveled down the field 80 yards only to turn over the ball in some way.

Once again The Golden Calf of Bristol wins. He scores more TD's per yard and has a 1 per 99 interception efficiency ratio.

[AceMan]

So since Cam is better than Moore and Jake in that category do you think he is better than both of them even as a rookie??

Wow. That is pretty good. You should be excited about that!!

I'm very excited about it! :cheers2: :cam:

[CatMan72]

I'm almost certain that you don't follow the Broncos as much as you let on. You speak as if you know what's going to happen in the future. NOBODY knows what offense the Broncos are going to run in the future. The "when defenses adapt to defending the option and force The Golden Calf of Bristol to beat them with his arm" get up is getting a little tiring. That's just regurgitating the same crap people have been spewing for weeks.

I mean how much tape could you possibly need? It's there for all to see. I'm not even saying it's a viable offense on a permanent basis but let's not pretend it can't be stopped. It HAS been stopped numerous times. The Vikings, the Bears, and the Jets have stopped it easily.

I hate to repeat myself but I will. Two different teams. Two different QBs. Two different systems. Two different coaching staffs. No QB is developed the exact same way as another. You're smart and I'm damn sure you know this. Stop acting.

I also shouldn't have to explain to you that some coaches don't have the luxury of taking their "lumps." These games aren't played in a vacuum. If you don't produce or show that you are making strides in the right direction, you get fired. Duh.

Nobody expected the Broncos to be anywhere near where they are right now. They were pretty much front-runners in the Suck for Luck race. There are plenty of "lumps" to be taken down the road regardless.

Also, you don't need to throw 45 friggin passes every game a la Panther's offense to develop a QB. That's just my opinion. Like I said earlier, 2 different philosophies.

I've watched every second of the Broncos games this year both with and without The Golden Calf of Bristol through NFL game pass... I watch the condensed version but it's still showing you the majority of the snaps.

I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that The Golden Calf of Bristol would be in big trouble if he was forced to beat an opponent with his arm. That's not to say that The Golden Calf of Bristol can't evolve into more of a passer, but he's got a LONG way to go.

You may be tired of hearing about how defenses will adapt, but it doesn't make it any less true. It will take an offseason for defenses to really get up to speed on defending the option. It's difficult during the season because you have to study tape of a new opponent each week, but during the offseason you have plenty of time to focus on one particular opponent.

You say that not all coaches have the opportunity to take their lumps and then follow that up with mentioning that nobody expected the Broncos to be any good this year, so which is it?

Anyhow, this topic has officially been beaten to death. I don't have anything against The Golden Calf of Bristol... I just don't see how the offense he's running is sustainable over the long term in the NFL and I'm not sure he's capable of evolving into a good enough passer to make up for that.

[AceMan]

I swear I will call for this thread to be .GIF approved if PFFL strawmans anymore

[Showtime]

if a 3 and out is a turnover, the Broncos have more turnovers than we do...

What do you mean if? It's called a turnover on downs, isn't it? You are turning over the ball, no? Any turnover on downs is still a turnover.

But they are not the same as interceptions/fumbles and not tracked the same. Denver may have more than us but there's a big difference between the 12th most efficient offense who plays for field position, which we know is what John Fox does, and one who doesn't and is ranked 22nd. That's where special teams comes in and that's the whole point of having a punter. Fumbles and picks skips this entire step.

For example against the Lions, on our offense's 3 and out, we followed our punt with a penalty which gave our opponent the ball at our own 30 yard line. Then we followed up with an interception later that gave the Lions the ball at our own 23 yard line.

So the Lion's "4th quarter comeback win" included 2 drives that spanned 30 and 23 yards thanks to our offense. But you expect them to stop teams from scoring.

But any time you drive down the field 80 yards and don't score and turn over the ball, it matters a lot! That's what makes you inefficient. Not so much your takeaways, because on average, most NFL teams get the same amount, about 1 per game and it's mostly based on the opposing QB's interception efficiency rating, but you driving down the field and not scoring.

A takeaway benefits you less field position than your own offense can affect it by not scoring on a drive. Driving 80 yards down the field and not scoring pretty much kills your efficiency. Driving down the field 80 yards and only coming up with 3 points also makes you inefficient. We don't even get those.

So not only are we inefficient in scoring, but we're also giving those other QB's a lot of easy comeback wins on short drives. You know the ones you want,....is what we're actually gifting our opponents quite frequently: Atlanta, Chicago, Saints, Lions, etc...

[Swaiy]

I've watched every second of the Broncos games this year both with and without The Golden Calf of Bristol through NFL game pass... I watch the condensed version but it's still showing you the majority of the snaps.

I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that The Golden Calf of Bristol would be in big trouble if he was forced to beat an opponent with his arm. That's not to say that The Golden Calf of Bristol can't evolve into more of a passer, but he's got a LONG way to go.

You may be tired of hearing about how defenses will adapt, but it doesn't make it any less true. It will take an offseason for defenses to really get up to speed on defending the option. It's difficult during the season because you have to study tape of a new opponent each week, but during the offseason you have plenty of time to focus on one particular opponent.

You say that not all coaches have the opportunity to take their lumps and then follow that up with mentioning that nobody expected the Broncos to be any good this year, so which is it?

Anyhow, this topic has officially been beaten to death. I don't have anything against The Golden Calf of Bristol... I just don't see how the offense he's running is sustainable over the long term in the NFL and I'm not sure he's capable of evolving into a good enough passer to make up for that.

Again, how do you know the Broncos will be running this offense next year?

And to answer your question, my statement still stands. No coach keeps his job by "taking his lumps." Just because you don't expect a team to be good doesn't mean you don't go out and try to win.

I haven't seen anyone saying this offense is sustainable over the long term. Honestly, I just think it's a band-aid until there is an off-season so he can get the necessary OTAs and training camp.

There's other things in your post that I don't agree with but I am willing to agree to disagree. I'll level with you. I'm a Broncos fan. Have been since I can remember. I'm also a Cam Newton fan (live in Alabama) and have followed him at Auburn. That's what originally brought me into this thread.

I EXPECT you to believe Cam is better than The Golden Calf of Bristol. He's your QB after all. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just defending mine.

Like you said though, dead horse.

[Showtime]

I swear I will call for this thread to be .GIF approved if PFFL strawmans anymore

I think you have me confused with Teeray.

[Wanderlai]

I look forward to next year when Luck is talked about more than The Golden Calf of Bristol. I dont hear anything about Romo, Brady, or Rogers for all the The Golden Calf of Bristol mania everywhere and lord knows ESPN loves them some Romo/Brady/Rogers but The Golden Calf of Bristol has taken all their "promo" time. Can even the Great Andrew Luck damper The Golden Calf of Bristol Mania...lol. I do though find myself watching the late Denver games...well the 4th quarter of them anyways. The guy does have some magic. Reminds me of the Delhomme Cardiac Cats days.

Poor Cam is an afterthought now...SMFH

[teeray]

What do you mean if? It's called a turnover on downs, isn't it? You are turning over the ball, no? Any turnover on downs is still a turnover.

Holy fugging poo. Where have you ever seen that a 3 and out is a turnover on downs?? Geebus. :nonod:

[Showtime]

Lol you're funny Aceman. I think you got me confused with Teeray. So when I point out others are completely ignoring interceptions, 4th quarter comebacks, offensive stalls, 3 and outs and discrediting anything other quarterbacks do good that Cam Newton can't....it's strawmaning. Yeah ever since Cam Newton came here, QB passer rating doesn't matter if The Golden Calf of Bristol's is better, interceptions don't matter, 4th quarter comebacks don't matter. The only thing that matters is yards and that the defense sucks.

So let me post my gifs first.

Scoring drives: "Our defense sucks.

.....because Atlanta gets short field position against our D and the blue lines disappear in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

1st quarter: "Our defense can't stop anybody"

...and they can't stop ours...but they win the field position battle so we make it easy for them to beat up on our defense.

2nd quarter: "It doesn't get enough stops"

Except for 5 times in the 2nd quarter alone. How else would we take the fuging lead?

3rd quarter: "Our defense sucks because"...

Our offense decides to go bye-bye in the third quarter..and Atlanta gets to start in our own fuging endzone.

4th quarter: "Other quarterbacks get help for their 4th quarter comeback winning drives"....

Except of course we got better starting field position in the 4th quarter but we drive down the field only to...NOT SCORE.... but it doesn't stop Matt Ryan from marching down the field 90 yards in the 4th quarter to score after our offense lays down. Just us! Not to mention our defense still stopped them and we still had a chance before they drove the final nail into our coffin.

I'm "strawmaning" because I see this when I watch the game and all you see is Cam Newton and look at vacuum stats all day that don't actually show you this part.

[Jesse]

Well, our defense does suck.

[BBQ&Beer]

Holy fugging poo. Where have you ever seen that a 3 and out is a turnover on downs?? Geebus. :nonod:

Maybe he's trolling a baseball forum somewhere too?

[Showtime]

Maybe he's trolling a baseball forum somewhere too?

No, we get to keep the fuging ball after that happens. :rolleyes:

That's why teams like the Lions and Atlanta only have to move 30 yards for a TD. But no...that's irrelevant....our defense should have stopped them! No NFL defense really does...but if ours doesn't, they suck.

[Showtime]

I look forward to coming back tomorrow to hear Teeray argue and spin poo and proclaim that Cam has proven he's better than Jake Delhomme...because he can't accept The Golden Calf of Bristol's currently a more efficient passer who throws no interceptions, gets 4th quarter comebacks and it shows up in their Wins and Losses. Tomorrow Cam will be better than Marino.